Reptile & Amphibian Forums

I was reading the post below about them and am quite shocked to see that their bite isn't fatal. They look like it should be, but of course looks don't mean a thing. Does anyone know the symptoms for a Wagler's bite? Do they bite often?

I don't suppose I will ever keep venomous herps, but Wagler's are definately beautiful and will always interest me. Does anyone have a care sheet or an extensive resource on them? I am sick of reading through sites about them that call them "poisonous."

Hopefully someone will have some in Daytona I can photograph? Man, they are amazing animals. I saw one at the expo last year, but unfortunately I then lost my digital camera.

Make no mistake - dont get bitten. Many of the arboreal vipers are considered to have a bite that is 'non-fatal'. Firstly, when you see your hospital bill from such a bite you will wish you actually had died. Secondly, this 'non-fatal' thing needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. As far as I know T. albolabris was considered 'non-fatal' until it killed somebody.

Otherwise I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that Waglers Temple Vipers are just about the best thing out there. I have four at the moment, the Borneo, or what some people call the Kalimantan phase. Interestingly they seem to grow a hang of a lot slower than what my other tree vipers do (Trimeresurus species). They also seem to require rather different care. If you do google search for T. wagleri you should find the Waglers Viper Page (I think its also listed on the Kingsnake.com homepage). There are some things that I think need to be updated though, such as the issue of soaking these snakes for hours to get them to defecate - there are better ways.

Good luck with trying to get your photo.

Ian

I have a pair (mother and daughter) of the Sumatran form (but oddly bluish instead of green).

wags are notorious for their "docile" personality. in the snake temple in Penang Indonesia the priests freehandle them and place them about the necks of tourists. This is part of the problem with them as wag are known to starve to death rather than eat. they also frequently suffer from blockages due to their lethargic lifestyle.

As to the bite. All reports I have read list them as mild. this does not rule out the possibility of severe results from someone who is sensitive to venoms.

Never let a passive personality relax your sense of caution.

Frank
-----
"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

some can be extremely territorial towards humans, as well as towards other wagleri.

btw the snake temple in Penang, Indonesia doesn't exist. the snake temple is located in Penang, MALAYSIA.

Very true...which is why one should never post in detail when one is up late at night after a long trip (lol)

Frank
-----
"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Hey,

Wag,s are defenetly a good choice. i Keep here on my Farm this Time 48 Heads plus there offspring.

about there venome i can say, it is very difficult to get right informations, coz they are to different. i would say we have around 6 different subspecies in the philippines. i know, official only one species accepted, but the Tropidoleamus waglery complex is under revision and i think ther will be many subspecies after words. thats why, handle the wags always with respect! it is defenetly a hot snake, evan you are tired to hear that. i can tell only my experiences with them. they are to lasy to bite at daytime but at night, they are compled different! just get more informations before you bye some.

more pics and infos you can found on my homepage, just search in google for herpaworld.....
cheers
mario
herpaworld inc., philippines
Link

Better ways? To make them defecate? Please let me know, some of my Waglers are not too fond of water (or at least soaking in it.

Why am I having such a hard time finding a Sulawesi? Several years ago they were abundant, but now I haven't been able to locate one for about six months. All I see are Sumatrans for sale. Any one have any Sulawesi's for sale?