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Utan is amazing!

GatorGal May 14, 2003 04:39 PM

OMG I just saw photos of a guy from Alligator Adventure kissing Utan! He's huge! Now either this guy is a lil more crazy than most herpers, or he knows something I don't. Apparently he's 'trained' but I find it hard to believe that a 20 foot croc is gonna listen to anythin but his tummy.

So ofcourse not believing that this guy is really tame, I figure its gotta be one of these:
- temps
- unhealthy (doubt it, they're supposedly very well kept)
- kept full & accustomed to humans
- tranquilized

I'm pretty sure the gentlemen who works with em is on the forums, so if you could please enlighten me I would really really appreciate it! It's not everyday I see someone crazy enough to kiss a 20ft croc.

Replies (5)

Bill Moss May 15, 2003 07:24 AM

but seriously, can you post the photo?

Bill

bigsnakedaddy May 19, 2003 05:47 AM

I have worked with crocs for 30+ years so I guess I am crazy. LOL. I have done that show 89 times in public in front of huge crowds. I started working with that croc 3 days after bringing him back from Thailand and 3 weeks later started that show. Have a new video and 2 more television episodes in the works. I'll keep everyone posted. Pics available to all who email me. Best regards. BigSnakeDaddy!

BrianSmith May 20, 2003 03:49 PM

What I mean by that is that yes, by definition it's nuts,. but at the same time you have great experience and a level of professionalism that greatly decreases your chances of mishap and injury. I myself have kept and raised crocodilians for nearly 30 years (28) and can honestly say that I know what I'm doing when I am working with my gators. Even though to most inexperienced people viewing this, it may look nuts. But I'm sure that you, like me, can "read" your crocs, or the croc your working with constantly when you're working with them, looking for any signal that he is about to do something out of the ordinary. A certain bending of the tail, a certain tensing of the body or back legs. While simultaneously you are looking for signs that he is going to remain where he is and not advance. And you are prepared to make a very well known escape method in the event of such an advance, or a technique to halt the advance or divert it. But that still doesn't mean that it isn't risky, and yes, somewhat crazy. Because face it, no matter how experienced we are, if we take this chance repeatedly, eventually something will happen. And I have scars to prove it, lol.
All that my wife and I have now is a bunch of gators and I know that they don't even compare to salt water crocks in aggression or indifference of human life, so I won't make any attempt to compare the two. But we still approach our males with a respect and a certain deference. We know what they like and don't like and pretty much cater to this. And depending on the weather we read and accept their tolerance at that moment and cater to that too. But there are good days when our biggest male will allow us to pet, rub, move and yes, even kiss him for pictures to impress our friends. But on his bad days he lets us know with a thunderous deep hiss (more of a cacophonous windy roar) that he doesn't want to be touched, and we respect this and give him his 3 feet space that he often demands (and gets). All in all I don't have any "mean" or aggressive gators, and many are quite personable and even like to be rubbed in certain places. I know this may sound silly, but they do things that tell us they like what we're doing, like throwing their legs back, stretching, and closing their eyes when we rub the sides of their bellies, their necks, or along the base of their tail.
Anyway, I have babbled on long enough. Sorry for the long post. I just get carried away when I talk about my babies.

>>I have worked with crocs for 30 years so I guess I am crazy. LOL. I have done that show 89 times in public in front of huge crowds. I started working with that croc 3 days after bringing him back from Thailand and 3 weeks later started that show. Have a new video and 2 more television episodes in the works. I'll keep everyone posted. Pics available to all who email me. Best regards. BigSnakeDaddy!
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bigsnakedaddy May 19, 2003 05:59 AM

Yes he is. In answer to your question it's None of the Above. Temps in mid to upper ninties. Water heated. Croc absolutely in tip top condition. No tranquilizers or alterations of any sort ever considered. Not kept full of food as demonstrated I rub beef/chicken all over his head to excite/provoke him to a delicious state of yarak! The show is unprecedented and fraught with peril. BigSnakeDaddy!

herpsc May 19, 2003 08:45 AM

Is Roark Ferguson (AKA Big snake Daddy) crazy? Absolutely ... it goes without saying! However, I am convinced that the "Croc kissing show" was only 1 part lunacy and 2 parts skill and confidence.

I have a unique perspective on this, since I was in the pen with Roark and Utan on 2 occasions and witnessed the interaction of man and beast up close and personal (about 10 feet away). It is hard to explain what I saw ... I am not given to "mystical" interpretations. I am by training a scientist, so I would try to understand/explain this from a behavioral perspective.

I believe that Roark's work with Utan provided some conditioning for the animal and created a situation where the animal did not feel threatened and knew he was going to get fed. At no time while I was in the enclosure with them did I feel threatened and I didn't feel like Roark was threatened either.

I've got to admit that I'm not sure what was going on in that primitive brain (Utan's not Roark's) but the result was damn amazing. OK I'll get a little mystical here ... some people have a "way" with animals ... folks who work in zoos know this. It might not be mystical, it might be as simple as confidence, lack of fear, intuitive (or learned) understanding of body language and posture etc. Whatever it is Roark has it!

Being in that small pen with Roark and a giant croc was one amazing experience, but watching Roark get "up close and personal" with the animal was beyond amazing.

As strange as it may sound I don't beleive what Roark did was totally crazy ... I beleive he took a measured risk based on his experience and training and it paid off in an amazing show. If people watched his show and came away with an altered perspective on "killer crocs" then I beleive he achieved his goal.

Steve Bennett
Herpetologist
SCDNR

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