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All Better

mrcham Aug 12, 2004 09:43 AM

No more worms!!!

Replies (8)

chameleonone Aug 12, 2004 12:58 PM

It is a good start that you've dewormed him but that is just a start. Don't let your gaurd down for a second with this guy because he is far from being "all better".

-Matt

mrcham Aug 12, 2004 05:16 PM

Why would you say that?

chameleonone Aug 12, 2004 06:37 PM

Well, for one his fat reserves look pretty low. His body doesn't look to have much hat either. His eyes are also servely sunken to the point that his socket's outline is showing. These conditions are so bad that he is looking like a skeleton which is never a good sign.

This isn't to say that he isn't going to make it or that he might not be looking better from before. You might be nursing this guy back but like I said earlier it is way to early to say he is all better. All it will take is a few consecutive days of him not eating and drinking to bring him back to square one. You just sounded like this guy didn't still have a long road ahead of him and constant daily care.

-Matt

mrcham Aug 12, 2004 08:00 PM

Well the pic really doesnt do him justice, he isn't back to 100% but he's well on the way, he has a considerable weight gain
and when i first got him he had no strength whatsoever now he hurts my wife with his grasp...lol
still a little on the dehydrated side but a very noticeable improvement!
but i have a question does anyone that have panthers notice the difference of the eyes (sunken) in the morning as opposed to the afternoon?

mrcham Aug 12, 2004 08:07 PM

Same Chameleon Midday

twinoats Aug 13, 2004 10:13 AM

A single deworming with one product will not be enough to guarantee 100% of the worms are erradicated. The dose may not have been high enough to get all of the adult parasites and there may have been eggs or larvae that were encysted or by whatever other sneaky means can survive one dose of dewormer. You need to have a full fecal analysis done to check for eggs or signs of larvae now and then serially to check for recurrence (i.e., if he becomes reinfested from his environment). If at all possible, you should have a blood sample drawn to check for systemic parasites as well. One dose of fenbendazole (Panacur) is not enough. It will not kill all of the worms a WC cham usually has. You need to cover the broad spectrum of possible parasites or else you'll simply kill off one type of worm and make way for another to take advantage of this sick and vulnerable chameleon. Consult with a veterinarian as to when you should dose with another round of fenbendazole (and **please** don't use the horse version of this product, it is a dangerously high compounded dose for a chameleon) as well as what other dewormers you should use to cover the possible other parasites your cham may be harboring.

That being said, your cham does look better, but don't be fooled into thinking that just because you can't see the subcutaneous filaria visibly anymore means that all the worms are gone from his system.

mrcham Aug 13, 2004 05:07 PM

Thanx fer your reply
but he has 2 doses to date (fenbendazole is fenbendazole whether for a horse or for a dog)the dosage is how much i give him nothing else... Beleive me when i say i've done my home work
it took me all about 1 hr to find many different dosage charts for chameleons
and i am still researching medicines and parisites and everything related!
also he has a vet appointment next week for a fecal...lol
also if you remember my previous post the reason i gave him the medicine is because the vet wouldnt!
before his first dose he had at least a dozen skin worms (s.q.nematodes)
after the first dose they disapeared from his skin and started showing up in his fecal matter
and then from 7 days to the time of his second dose we noticed them still in his fecal matter and a single skin worm in his skin!
after second dose there are no worms in his skin and only smaller ones in his stool!
it may take more doses
by the way fenbendazole is a all around dewormer which kills many different kinds of worms...which i was told and read that it wouldnt work on s.q. nematodes that they had to be surgicly removed!!! well i guess not
i will not use ivermectin because of the risks it poses in many chameleons
as far as bloodwork and all that jazz i am going to wait untill he is alot stronger before i put him through the stress i beleive that right now i should continue to baby him!
i understand he isnt "all better" as far as everthing but i beleive we got a handle on those damn skin worms...lol

thank you for your input on this i appreciate freindly advice
as opposed to people just raggin on me for my different oppinions

i posted this in hopes that people dont just give up when a vet tells them hey theres nothin we can do!and also dont go cuttin up yor chamelon when he gets skin worms try some fenbendazole first...lol

mrcham Aug 13, 2004 05:21 PM

LOL i forgot to say its all 10% fenbendazole
srry

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