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"The Gecko Store?"

Melle Aug 16, 2004 02:53 PM

I just went to the mall today for the first time in a long time... you know how they have those little pagodas in the middle aisles where they sell those poor hermit crabs and african dwarf frogs and stuff in those itty bitty boxes? well.... theres a pagoda at the mall by my house that is called The Gecko Store, and it sells, you guessed it, leopard geckos. I thought, you have GOT to be kidding me. But they sell everything- little coconut hides, terrarium plants, mealworms, crickets, heat pads, calcium powder, cricket keeper boxes, sand, and large kritter keepers. They even had little care sheets and everything, and it sold albinos and normals. They had em all set up in glass containers about the size of a ten gallon with heat pads, a hide, and a water dish, on sand. I guess the only thing bad about the setups is the sand. But it was just, really weird. They all looked pretty healthy to me, but still...leopard geckos at the mall??? Thats just a whole lot of bad news waiting to happen. has anyone else seen any of these at their malls?
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~Melissa~
1.2.3 Leopard geckos
1.1 Bearded dragons
1.0 Hog Island Boa
0.1 Western hognose
0.1 Crested Gecko
1.0 Savannah Monitor
1.1 Ferrets
0.1 Chinchilla
1.0 dwarf hamster

1.0 Psycho cat

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Replies (5)

benzman1 Aug 16, 2004 03:02 PM

Well that sounds better than Petco, Petsmart (Petignorant), or any of the other stores that have no idea what they have or how to care for it. If the animals are healthy, well cared for, fed well, and the customer is given good care instruction...why not use a pagoda?

dantheham Aug 16, 2004 03:06 PM

Did you consider that it may have been a good breeder that rented a space to retail some extra stock?

Sounds like a good setup to me. Not enough folks in the retail pet trade that do it "right", support 'em!
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Dan

crimsonwolf1313 Aug 16, 2004 06:44 PM

I haven't been to the mall resently but knowing Southern Cali trends i would not be surprised to find them when my mom insist on back to school shoping.

CrystalStone Aug 25, 2004 10:32 AM

I was lead to this thread through a similar thread in reptile rescue, Canada forums. I copied my post from there to post here because I think it's important enough to do so. I apologize if some of it doesn't make sense, as I said, I was replying to another thread. I'll post the link to that thread as well.

This is to be read in a concerned tone of voice, not an angry one:

For one thing, she didn't say he was the guy that owns all the crab kiosks. She said he's the guy who owned the former crab kiosk in that particular mall. Each kiosk is run by a completely separate person. There is not one man in every mall across the nation running all the crab kiosks . If you don't see what's wrong with a kiosk in a mall selling pets, I'll fill you in. For over a year now, the hermit crab fad has taken up residence in a ton of malls across America so we've been dealing with this problem for quite awhile.

First off, the kiosks are targeting impulse buyers, which in itself, is not a good thing. Mommy is taking little Charlie to buy school clothes and they end up with a gecko that they weren't prepared to purchase and know nothing about. Unfortunately, the kiosk workers are normally teenagers working their part-time afterschool jobs and they aren't very knowledgable and can't answer most of the questions asked about general care(sometimes they even make up answers. I was told that hermit crabs could live on potato chips at one kiosk). Normally, you get a caresheet that only contains half of the info needed to provide a long, happy life for your pet. Good thing they come with the 14 day guarantee...

Secondly, at first glance, these kiosks seem to be almost better than a petstore. They keep them nice and clean and I almost never find dead bodies or body parts in the display tanks(hermit crabs will drop limbs when stressed). Looks can be decieving though. I have not personally seen the gecko kiosk in question, but the crab kiosks I have seen have never been correct in the conditions they provide. They keep them in open sided tanks that don't hold humidity in and shine bright display lights on them. Those are desert conditions, crabs need tropical conditions. Crabs breath through modified gills and if you don't maintain a 70-80% humidity level in their habitat, they will slowly suffocate and die. Just remember that next time you pass a crab kiosk, that all those poor crabs are in there suffocating(Hey Alex- if you do know the *owner of all crab kiosks* could you please tell him that?). The kiosk owners have no problem letting people pick up and play with the animals, they actually encourage it. This leads to dropping them, poking and prodding them, and stressing them out in general. I read about one kiosk where some teenagers set the crabs free in the mall to freak people out. I'm sure the crabs really enjoyed that. Who do you think was more freaked out, the people or the crabs?

Thirdly, those kritter keepers they sell are not good homes for pets. We refer to them as *little boxes of death* on the crab messageboard. How on earth can anyone think these 2-3 gallon tanks could be enough to provide a permanent home for any creature except maybe a betta or some feeder crickets? There's no room to provide a proper thermal gradient, no room for a humid hide or a dry hide, no room to walk around, no room for things to climb on, no room, no room, no room. It's even worse for crabs because the lids are full of ventilation slits that don't hold the humidity in(more suffocation). Kiosk workers will tell you that you can fit 2-3 crabs in one keeper. I wonder how many geckos they think will fit?

As I said before, I have not seen the kiosk in question personally. The info I posted was from a woman I've been chatting with for over a year. I can't imagine she would be making it up. At any rate, even if this kiosk was the perfect kiosk selling perfectly happy pets, I would never support a place that sells pets to impulse buyers who, in most cases, are not prepared or willing to do the necessary research to provide a good home for the pet in question. After seeing and hearing the horror stories from the crab kiosks, I'm sure you can understand my fear that this gecko store fad will also spread across the country. Again, it's worse for the crabs, they have not been successfully bred in captivity so the crab fad is taking it's toll on the wild populations. I'm sorry to say that I have no website or business card to give you, as I am only a lowly housewife who cares about animals. Any breeders out there, I beg of you to think twice before selling your babies to any of these types of stores. They may look like a good investment $cha-ching$, but in the long run, don't you want what's best for your babies?
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speed2uner Aug 26, 2004 10:16 PM

man, that is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. So what you (crytalstone) mean is if the geckos kept at a pet store are in unclean cages and dieing, they would still be better than purchasing one from a clean healthy gecko kiosk in the mall just because its in the mall? how stupid does that sound?
from the thread over at reptile rescue, it seems to me that you've never even seen that kiosk unless I've read it wrong. It looked to me like you were getting your info from that other poster (toad). I personally would much rather purchase my next gecko from a clean and healthy environment even if its a kiosk versus the nasty pet store with animals dieing all over the place.It looks like, at least one other person has seen the kiosk with his own eyes and vouched for the cleaniness and health of the geckos. Its people with your train of thought that will eventually give all reptile keepers a bad name and get all of the reptiles blacklisted and out of our hands. I see nothing wrong with a breeder who sells geckos out of a kiosk just as long as the animals are well cared for and given everything they need. I do however see a problem with someone thrashing a store just because if its location and with facts based on a 3rd. person review. Imagine if that kiosk was owned by one of the big names in gecko breeding, Ron Tremper or Bill Brant or Mark Bell or John Mack or Kelli Hammack or robbi Hamper...what would you say then. Jeeez.

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