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it's a female , after it's first shed... Anybody know where I can find a CBB male with as much yellow ?

interesting little thing.

good luck hunting down a good male man.
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recycle your pets

Congrat's on a STELLAR animal. You're gonna love working with her.

Doug T

Awesome beauty there.

the male who fathered the litter is pretty killer . I'm guessing that's where the color came from.

hehehe
nice animal C. although, it looks substandard, you may want to hurry and get rid of it! lol
ok, ok, i'll stop messin w/ ya.
good to see ya feeding the addiction.
later man, jb
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Jonathan Brady
"Sarcasm is angers ugly cousin" -Dr. Buddy Rydell (Jack Nicholson) in "Anger Management".

Wow, gorgeous little snake, and great pic as well.
I may guess it's a mandarin one? Such yellow specimens are quite rare and seems to pop out in few litters on a randomly basis. I remind to have seen an extraordinary yellow one some years back from Danmark, but those are even more seldom offered on sale.Good luck matching her with an appropriate mate!
Here some quick pics of my last litter of the season (mandarin morph)

Clay Valeri

Haven't heard from you in a while. Looks like you got a nice clutch there. Good to see you still are doing well with these guys. Well done.

Doug T

>>Wow, gorgeous little snake, and great pic as well.
>>I may guess it's a mandarin one? Such yellow specimens are quite rare and seems to pop out in few litters on a randomly basis. I remind to have seen an extraordinary yellow one some years back from Danmark, but those are even more seldom offered on sale.Good luck matching her with an appropriate mate!
>>Here some quick pics of my last litter of the season (mandarin morph)
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>>Clay Valeri

first off thanks for the comments. You guys have been pretty succesful breeding these guys over the years... gotta quick question for you. Do your females seek shelter before dropping their litters ? Do you normally get a few stillborns in your litters ? I ask because when this female was born there was a few stillborns in the litter , Jeff and i talked about it and we suspect the female just hung on to the babies because she couldn't find a suitable place to release them... who knows , I might be crazy but seemed like a logical answer.... what's your experience ? Do they normally drop the babies on the cage floor ? Under the substrate ? On a perch or shelf high in the enclosure ? share the wealth !!!

beautiful babies Clay

>>first off thanks for the comments. You guys have been pretty succesful breeding these guys over the years... gotta quick question for you. Do your females seek shelter before dropping their litters ?

Nothing out of the ordinary. Truthfully, they seem to wait for, or at least be stimulated by large storms passing through and invariably drop at night or early morning when I'm not watching.

Do you normally get a few stillborns in your litters ? I ask because when this female was born there was a few stillborns in the litter , Jeff and i talked about it and we suspect the female just hung on to the babies because she couldn't find a suitable place to release them... who knows

As I recall, I've never had a stillborn. I've had several that died a few days to a few weeks after birth, but not stillborn.

, I might be crazy but seemed like a logical answer.... what's your experience ? Do they normally drop the babies on the cage floor ? Under the substrate ? On a perch or shelf high in the enclosure ? share the wealth !!!

As I said, they tend to drop when I'm not watching, but the mess seems to be spread throughout the cage. I always leave a large, damp hide-box in the cage, and they have used that too
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>>beautiful babies Clay

Hopefully as we all get clutches, we can get some good selective breeding and still maintain good genetic diversity. I hope to have a couple clutches next year to add to the mix.

Like Doug said, in my experience they seems to not looking for a particular dropping site, even un-caring to cover their sight or seek for any type of shelter like others species do. They simply drop their cargo at night and scattered them all over the cage's floor and furniture. More , IMO, they looks to not pose any particular attention or showing any maternal defensive behaviour after giving birth. My speculation is that probably in the wild they're used to do so probably because the fact their gestation span are so long (my datas are invariably 8 months +) and then the offsprings are more than ready to slide off and bet their luck immediately after the birth, even more than other species.My thoughts are endorsed as I've never had a baby born with conspicuous umbelical cord or trace of yolk-mass left to been absorbed , and they shed their first skin just after being out of the mother. To me, all put together, led to that logical answer/possibility.
I 've had three litters this season, all from unrelated pairing, but just the latter of which I posted the pics has been a perfect one(ten live&healthy). The first one, contains 7 babies but only 2 of which were born alive, the other 5 were stillborn, completely formed , good-sized ones without any yolk attached or any visible malfuctions, plus few unfertilized sluggs. The mother went into a shed cycle just a week before and then shed out 2 days before giving birth, then I thought that early event messed and delayed their natural timing, probably conducting them to asphyxiate..well, as I said, those are just speculations.
The second litter has been even worse, as it ended on just 3 stillborns and slugs only. But then again the time span from dropping whatever she was carring and ovulation/ P.O.S. was like clockwork as with the other females.
There is a logical theory here among european breeders that point to the fact that a lot of Sanzinia throw slugs and troubles when bred in the winter and better results came from breeding them in the summer time which is their natural breeding season (F.Nuyt per.comm.). Who knows, I'm the least of the "expert", but personally I got some bad experience in that case too.
Anyhow, Sanzinia is such a marvellous and intriguing species to work with, and probably with time and effort we could try to discover many other "secret" with them and their breeding.
Regards, Clay

Hey Mate! How's life? Hope all is at its best.
Being quite busy later....beside my job, some life and taking care of the animals for the most of my spare time, had few time left for rambling around!
Cheers, Clay