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How on earth-

epidemic Aug 20, 2004 10:26 AM

Have D. c couperi, and every other member of the Drymarchon complex survived the wild, without the availability of reverse osmosis, carbon filtered drinking water, or their prey frozen, promptly after capture, and then thawed to correct temperature, prior to dining?
How on earth have such immune-suppressed creatures managed to get along, feeding on wild prey items and being relegated to drinking less then sterile water from canals, lakes, wells and creeks; instead of lab raised rodents, fowl and reverse osmosis, carbon filtered water?
From now on, I'm bathing the food items I offer all of my specimens in Chlorhexidine, rinsing thoroughly, blow drying, freezing, then bathing them in Chlorhexidine again!
As for water, well I will used reverse osmosis, carbon filtered water and UV sterilized water, though not prior to boiling it first! Oh, and maybe a drop of Chlorhexidine, just to be certain.
If a specimen does succumb to Cryptosporidiosis while in captivity, then other underlying factors must have been involved, to have allowed the specimen to become immunocompromised, as healthy animals should not succumb to this pathogen.
I know very few people willing to admit, especially in public, their methods of husbandry are, or have been, less then adequate. Robert, I applaud you for being one such individual, as it is critical we learn from one another’s mistakes, as there are simply too many to make, to conceive everything in a single life span.
Once again, anyone who has incurred the loss of a specimen, due to Cryptosporidiosis, especially a captive produced specimen, should take a close look at their husbandry methods.
Also, it should be mentioned how difficult it is to eradicate Cryptosporidium spp., once the pathogen is incurred, as the only effective tools for ridding the pathogen are ammonia, UV irradiation and steam.
Whoops, guess I can leave out the Chlorhexidine then!

Jeff

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thesnakeman Aug 21, 2004 12:05 AM

I agree whole heartedly! It does not make sense. They crawl around in the wild and eat and drink whatever. How many die from this in the wild?! We may never know. And in this particular case, I do not yet have all the peices to the puzzle. However I will continue to investigate this until I do.
As far as my husbandry goes, you can bet that I have been over, and over, and over, and over it. I am driving the wife insane with this!

He may have had some condition which made him imunocompromised to begin with, but if so, I never saw it. The theory about captive gene pool being a bit weak could hold water in this application. I don't know what else could have been a contributing factor.

As for all the drastic measures, I am not convinced that they are all that nessecary. BUT,...I ain't takin no chances! From what I have read about crypto, it appears that in the wild, an animal would have to come into contact with feces of an infected animal, or drink water with a high enough concentration, or eat infected prey. An animal must ingest a certain amount of this stuff before it becomes infectious. Out there, it's just not as likely to happen. Heck,... the best way to kill this stuff, is to dry thouroughly for at least four hours. So any crypto on surfaces in the wild or not will die if left dry for 4 hrs. And most everything drys out in the wild. Perhaps if a wild animal receives small periodic doses, over time it will develope imunity. Maybe, the wild indigo has other bacteria in it's gut which attacks crypto. Who knows. I will keep digging. You are all welcome to dig with me! And keep posting ideas! One way or the other we will get to the bottom of this! Someone may want to go to the cobra forum, post a message about cobra imunity, and see what we learn. Later,
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

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