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Not wanting to instigate any discord amongst all of us who love Boas in general.Just curious with all the new Hogg crosses we are seeing(the past 2 years)that maybe there should be an outlet for those who want to preserve the lineage(S)that are left.I remember purchasing my first Hogg around 10-11 years ago.Lemke stock.Although I kept her for only 2 years,she was the most colorful snake I had ever seen.It is hard to fathom an age in time where there may never be any left.Just probably being over philosophical.I do not post much.I see alot of encouraging dialogue on this forum and hope my post would inspire intelligent feedback.Everybody has there own perception of beauty.Marcus

i totally agree with you , and i am all for preserving the lineage of a certain species and or subspecies. Hogg's are amazing animals , and i dont think that they should be interbred with any other species at all, i for one am not going to have my animal produce mutts , because though it may look cool , it is just polluting the gene pool, which will someday , though i hope not , make it so we never know who has pure blood hoggs and whos scamming , i know i may have offended a few people , but this is just my personal oppinion , and i am sorry if u disagree with me.
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John woodward
JW REPTILES

I understand your strong feelings.As long as someone selling these crosses honestly represents them as such,I do not have too much of a problem with it.The only drawback I see is the persons whose ethics may not reach that far.Every Hogg I purchase now makes me feel like a junior detective.I try to find out as much as I can.(feel like a pain in the #$@)I even sometimes appreciate the coloful spectrum these crosses produce.I do not think that their novelty is worth the demise of what is left in captivity.Kudos to Gus and others like him who strive to remain locale specific to the best of their ability.It is not a perfect world,but we can always try.

I agree !
Theres many lines that have been Mutt Polluted to excess IMO and its all for the sake of the mighty dollar.
I dont even look at stuff posted Het,Smoken,Screaming or any other reference to Mutt Snakes.Yeah pretty snakes but BFD IMO
Keep`em !!
It wont be long befoe the Nic`s are trashed like the Argie`s and several other locales.
The stuff we have will remain as pure as pure can be defined.
The demand for people like Gus needs to catch up to the greed of the mutt breeders,but it will never happen sadly

thank u all for your strong approval , which i appreciate very much . The last post i read though said that words such as smokin and screamer were things pointing towards mutts , but i was always lead to believe that a "smokin" hogg island boa was an animal that had an extremely clean appearance , IE little amounts of black , i prefer calling its a hypo , but people have informed me that the name is wrong, im not so sure about screamer though , or any other names like that , thanx for the posts.
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John woodward
JW REPTILES

Its not that it's too late, but usually reptile registry's don't work. There are too many ego's, questions, variables, etc. Basically a registry starts with a traceable history, ask your self, how many breeders have animals that are 100% traceable back to the original import documents? And then ask yourself this; can you trust those documents or not? I can have a country or locality of origin on paper, but does that mean those animals actually come from that location? Back to the cross argument, thier will always be people breeding pure animals that are from varified lines, and thier will always be people breeding crosses. Its' not like crosses are going to take over the world. Breeding pure lines will eventually lead to a genetic bottle neck down the road, especially with animals that aren't imported anymore. Besides, define "pure." Pure to me is a animal that is from a varified line, and going back to the top, how many 100% true to the source lines are their? There are stories that some Hoggs were collected off the mainland, did they have mainland influence or what? If they did, were they considered pure Hoggs, or some type of cross. Would you label them pure or a intergrade? Something to think about I guess........

Some valid points made,but as with all animals that are domesticated its the "human greed" that fails to bottle neck and therefore crashs the gene pool. Theres a person for every day of the next 5 decades ready to defend the other side of the coin to justify what their doing is RIGHT and for Noble reasons.Forceing evolution by breeding like people do these days cant happen without some negitive recoarse. Not that anyone on these boards will live to see the crash,but hopefully they`ll be as proud to have played a role in the demise of a line as they are now of the MUTTS they Parade.
I see no difference between Mutt Herp breeders and the Puppy Mill operators that have ruined so many awesome dog breeds in the last 20 years due to greed. With insecure adults seeking to advance their social status by spending big money for something that in fact only confirms what was clear to begin with LMAO !!
Your still the same INSECURE HUMAN !!Breeders depend on that very trait,without it they wouldnt have a market to sell to.

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Posted by: EricIvins at Tue Aug 24 13:10:22 2004

Its not that it's too late, but usually reptile registry's don't work. There are too many ego's, questions, variables, etc. Basically a registry starts with a traceable history, ask your self, how many breeders have animals that are 100% traceable back to the original import documents? And then ask yourself this; can you trust those documents or not? I can have a country or locality of origin on paper, but does that mean those animals actually come from that location? Back to the cross argument, thier will always be people breeding pure animals that are from varified lines, and thier will always be people breeding crosses. Its' not like crosses are going to take over the world. Breeding pure lines will eventually lead to a genetic bottle neck down the road, especially with animals that aren't imported anymore. Besides, define "pure." Pure to me is a animal that is from a varified line, and going back to the top, how many 100% true to the source lines are their? There are stories that some Hoggs were collected off the mainland, did they have mainland influence or what? If they did, were they considered pure Hoggs, or some type of cross. Would you label them pure or a intergrade? Something to think about I guess........[quote]

I have a pair of hoggs that are verifiable back to Bob Sear's, as long as these snakes are around, there will be more pure hogg's. There is a huge problem with purposeful crosses, then add the fact that around half the snakes everyone calls hoggs are from mainland Honduras, now it gets interesting. Right now all that people have on pure hoggs is other peoples word, and everyone here knows that that isn't always reliable. I count myself lucky to have gotten a pair from people I consider reliable.

Chris

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