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NYS reptile legislation.

b1r2s Aug 25, 2004 03:24 PM

After reading through the various signatures on the petition to stop the ban of sale and ownership of reptiles in NY, I was quite frankly disgusted.

As a collection of hobbiests, we cannot attack such legislation, accusing lawmakers of "having nothing better to do than harass us reptile owners" and that sort of thing. This is the sort of unorganized and spontaneous, not to mention childish, communications that give society the stereotype that reptile owners are social outcasts that own these animals for pure shock value.

The following is a letter I recently sent to the staff of the governer of NY regarding the reptile legislation currently pending his approval.

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I'm sure by now you've received a flood of emails pertaining to the exotic animal (mostly reptile) bill recently passed by the Assembly, which restricts the sale and purchase of exotic "dangerous" animals.

The bill is unfair to businesses and consumers alike. It combines harmless animals with tigers, monkeys and venomous species, all of which are already controlled by existing laws. Basically, all this bill is really doing is increasing the limits to contain boids, iguanas, monitors and turtles.

Boids, iguanas and turtles are NOT dangerous. They will not try to eat or kill a human being, either by hunger or defense. In all but a very few cases, they are not even capable of killing a typical sized adult.

A license to keep large exotics may be appropriate, specifically for those with small children living at home. Though one would expect someone keeping such animals to be intelligent enough to keep them away from their children, history has shown us otherwise. Such legislation already exists for crocodilians, venomous reptiles, tigers and other large "dangerous" mammals, etc. I think it would be easier to enforce if you were to extend existing legislation to cover large reptiles, than to ban their sale.

I write this not only as a concerned exotics owner, who has been safely keeping reptiles for over 18 years, but also as someone who has a vested interested in the exotics business. I also notice in reading the bill that it states there is no fiscal impact. This is not true. Exotic animal sales are the #2 revenue generating legal industry in the world, second only to sex/pornography. There are several exotics wholesalers in this state, and I have been to few retail outlets that didn't offer a large selection of reptiles. The ban of such animals would have to cause a large loss in sales tax revenue. Also, there would need to be additional employees hired to enforce such laws, where would the money for these people come from?

I feel this bill has been pushed through legislation on the "fear factor" surrounding exotic animals. To combine terms like boidae (a family of snakes ranging from 2 feet in length to 30 feet) and iguanas with elapidae (cobras, et al), viperidae (vipers, rattle snakes, et al), tigers, monkeys and the like seems like there was a personal reason to get some reptiles banned, and to do so these other, clearly dangerous and separately legislated, animals into the bill. These harmless reptiles are the only animals this bill covers that aren't already banned or restricted by other state and federal laws. The revenue generated by the requirement of a license to own such animals will not supersede the loss of income from sales tax in addition to the cost of employing people to enforce this law.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration in this matter. If there is any desire on your part to discuss this issue on a more personal basis, please let me know, and I will be glad to do so.

Sincerely,
Bryan Schaefer
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Don't simply copy this and send it to the same group, but please use it as a template of what areas to touch upon during the process to get this bill stopped. I'm not saying I said it perfectly, but it's alot better than saying something to the effect of "You law makers are all stupid," which isn't too far from many of the comments on that petition.

We need to communicate to the lawmakers of NY, and all states for that matter, that we are not a conglomerate of people who keep full grown retics and let our infants cuddle with them. Unfortunately, that sort of thing does happen, and although we cannot do much about it, it is the type of situation that gets legislation like this passed.

Replies (5)

TJP Aug 26, 2004 07:18 AM

you mentioned "legal" and exotic animals, and tax revenue in the same paragraph. Let's face it, a good majority of ANY exotic sales are far from legal, I can look through the classifieds at any given time and tell which are legal or not. There are plenty of TC's ( I hope you know who that is without me having to spell his name ) that are selling animals that are illegal or to people who will keep them illegally, without any type of worry.The normal reptile/animal vendor ( this may not pertain to you) would sell anything to anyone for a quick buck, and not file any taxes after doing so. So please don't be naive and think that even a remotely small amount of people are doing things the right way. As a hotkeeper, I feel that not only I, but the reptile breeders and vendors should be regulated as well. To me, they may be the biggest cause to the problem, especially when you see someone sell a "dangerous" animal to a person they know isn't qualified to safely care for it. You may quite be in the minority, because from what I see, and have seen on a regular basis, the industry is riddled with people who care nothing for the hobby, animals, or people. To them, it's the quickest fad to make a quick buck. Sorry for the long rant.

b1r2s Aug 26, 2004 08:40 AM

Those that are doing things illegal now, will continue to do so later. This is no different than gun control. Law abiding citizens will be punished, and criminals will continue to be criminals.

The "businesses" on this site are typically far from legit. However, the NYS legislature that is being pushed is to control registered businesses, wholesale and retail. These companies typically are legit, and do report taxable income, etc.

There is legislation against puppy mills, do puppy mills still exist, of course.

My point is to not hurt the legitimate businesses by creating laws that will be expensive and difficult to enforce, and will be totally ignored by the same people who are already ignoring the existing laws, venemous, turtles, etc.

lwcamp Aug 27, 2004 04:21 PM

> As a hotkeeper, I feel that not only I, but the reptile breeders
> and vendors should be regulated as well.

Keep in mind that the NYS law would have prohibited, not regulated, the sale and breeding of hots, as well as boids (all species) plus several harmless species of monitors.

Luke

coloradosnakie Sep 28, 2004 11:29 PM

I am facing a similar situation in Aurora Colorado. It has come to my attention that because a man put a 11 foot python around his neck and took it to greet friends and subsequently died when something frightened the snake and it constricted, I can not have any snake oir lizard within city limits that exceeds 12 inches. Because of one incident of local fatal stupidity all herp owners in the area are harboring dangerous animals. My green snake is so dangerous at a whopping 14 inches long and 1/4 inch wide, that she is currently recovering from a bite she got in a fight. The cricket won.

This law is basically saying that because a wolf attacks people when scared by them, your Toy poodle is illegal.

C

coloradosnakie Sep 28, 2004 11:32 PM

If you plan to take this fight to a national level. I would be willing to help.

C

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