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I have a few really big CB frozen thawed eating females and I am wondering if it is fair to ask for a female pastel or albino in trade. I have an adult male pastel and I can have a few baby pastels next year but I am looking to get ahead on breeding a super. I think it is pretty close considering how many pastels, spiders, mojaves, or plattys they can produce.

My thought is anything over 600 for a normal ball is way to high. Then again that's me. If you find someone willing to do the trade go for it. Sure you could produce tons of codoms with a very large female, then again how much do you have in her compared to others and their morphs. Personally I would not do the trade but then again I'm sure there are probably others that would? Good luck with whatever you do! Remember anything is only worth what someone will pay!
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Well, sort of depends on exactly how many a "few" comes out to be. If you mean just 3, I'd say your asking quite a lot for normal females. At 500 each, it's only 1500 in trade, and pastel females are generally higher than that. Yes, someone with a mojave, spider, lesser, etc. could turn a big profit with those normal females, but at the same time, they probably aren't doing bad on females to begin with. I would also venture to say that they can find adult normal females for less, and still sell their female pastels for cash. Best way to find out is start offering them to people and hope someone says yes. Worse case scenario, you breed your pastel to all three females and hope to produce your own female pastels, plus bring in a little cash from the other pastels produced. You produce say 5 male pastels at 800 each and you'd have 4 grand to spend on a female pastel with a little size on her already rather than just trading away your females for a hatchling. Good luck!!! Take care.

Yeah I figured as much. I would rather hold on to them anyway considering how many pastels five females that size can produce. Also my pastel is a wild caught one so I have some new blood to play with. I have alot of females starting to come of age so I figured I would start throwing some offers out. I already produced A TON of possible het albinos with them. I would be up to trades for hets but so many people are scamming out there I can count all the people I can trust with hets on one hand. Also I am betting male pastels drop to the 500 dollar mark by late next year but who knows? Female pastels will always be worth money for use in other projects.

The only reason they would be that low is because people are stupid and are selling animals for too cheap. Pastels should still be selling for 1200 for males and 2200 for females....and I know a lot of people who got that much for ALL of their pastels this year.....
Damn people need to quit selling their stuff short.....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

The pastel price drop situation isn't gonna be changing anytime soon. The big breeders can still get the money for them because they have a good name and usually will give you a very nice snake. But if you are a small no name breeder you are in a bad situation. If you list your snakes for the same price as a big breeder I have dealt with before or I have heard great things about of course I am gonna go to the big breeder every time. So they list their prices a little lower. If they only have a limited quantity of snakes to sell there is no real effect. But if they have alot, and with co-dom snakes it is usually the case, they take alot of the market away from other breeders. This forces the other smaller breeders to lower their price to compete. Now with every small breeder lowering prices nobody wants to pay the big breeders more money for the same snake. Which forces the big breeders to lower prices. And then the cycle happens all over again.

With other morphs it is a much longer and expensive process to do the same thing. I can buy a male pastel baby. Maybe breed it next year to some females, and get a big turn around fast. All for around a thousand dollars. Now with the same amount I can get a pair of albino hets and in three years get maybe an albino or two, more if the odds are in my favor. Of course I could buy cheaper hets from somebody I have never heard of but I rather pay more without the risk. Now it just gets harder with the more expensive morphs. For the same thousand dollars I can buy a het pied male wait for it to get to breeding size then breed it to some females and get 50% hets. Now I have to wait another three years so I can breed them back to the het male and hope the females are hets too. Not worth the time for people that are out to make a quick buck. And thats why they hold their prices so well.

The pastel is going drop in price the fastest because of the super pastel and the fact they are so easy to produce. I can breed my super to five females and get a huge amount of pastels. And people that are just into making money will do just that. Now a big breeder that has time and other projects going on are going to use that same super to produce a countless number of crosses. And make more money in the long run. I personally will be only trading my snakes for other morphs for a few years to come. If I do sell some at shows they will be to fund other projects or to pay to feed all these guys.

I know I am probably rambling by now but I have one last thing to say. A perfect example of too many people trying to make a quick buck is the huge lack of supers on the market and bumblebee spiders. Everybody is selling their pastel and spider babies so fast they don't bother to hold any back to produce some crosses. The smart people are holding back and building up breeding stock.

It really made no since considering it looks like you are strattling the fence on it....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

...people willing to whore out their hard-earned offspring!!!
SJM

If I had A female pastel to trade I would. You can make more with the females every year and for many years to come. You make your money back the first year and every year after that is a bonus. My 2 cents. Tom Muzek