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This guy is beyond pissy,hence the headlock hold

I would say maybe Honduran or ????
Need to see more of the snake to see pattern and tail and some more color.

Here's another shot with a little more of the snake visible...

a couple of more.....

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Not quite .......
Need to be more specfic to be "correct",its not a mainland line. Their Isle Specfic.(which will prolly lead to another discussion)

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How does Kevin arrive at this answer ?

Hmmmmmm.......?

Is that Boa a "Firebellie" ? Hermann's got a Great web-site ! ! Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

Yes it is a Roatan Isle F/B
Its from the Sargent line which is "not" the same as the Dyer mainland line.I`m looking for the people here in the States that still have the specific lines that havent been crossed. Some say theres no difference but from what I`ve been told as well as seen they look like completely different lines.
Hopefully not to many people have crossed the two ??I know of some that have both and have plans to breed which doesnt set well with myself and acouple others.

input......... ?

>>Is that Boa a "Firebellie" ? Hermann's got a Great web-site ! ! Have A Good One ! !
>>Kenneth

The only "True Firebellies" are one's that can be traced back to "Dennis Sargent's Line" no other's should be called F/B's "The Dyer mainland Line" would most like'ly be of the "Honduran Mainland Dwarf" with some specimens having Red Belly's but by no mean's "True Firebellies" I think if anyone has F/B's that can be traced to Dennis Sargent, it would be "Very Foolish" to not Breed them True/Pure even if they have to do a joint "Breeding Effort" any other Breeding of either line would produce Cross's,in which niether Line would be Pure. Good Luck,in tracking down the True Firebellies,I Wish You Luck ! !
Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

Dennis' line of Firebellies are from founder animals collected on Roatan and the births and boas mentioned in our posts below are in fact Firebellies from Dennis' '01 and '02 breedings of these founders.

We also believe in maintaining the lineage of these animals as island specific and have hopes of providing F2 Firebellies in '05

Hi Kevin,
Wow you are a "Lucky Man" to have Livestock like that ! !Sound's like your ready,Good Luck,in your Project for"2005" ! You dont by chance have any Pic.'s of your Animal's do you ? I'd Love to see em !Good Luck Again,with your Firebellies in the Future ! !
Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

Heres my understanding to date;
Crutchfield brought`em in
Sargent*
MaCuade*
Harding*
Mead*
Were the ones that purchased the entire lot,Mead isnt known to still have them ??
When Sargent sold out,he sold to 3 people all of which were in Fla.(So far only 1 has been confirmed by myself)
Of which was a joint purchase by Reeferman*(sp*?)and Lockett
Their purchase consisted of Roatan`s exclusively.
Lockett had a litter this year4/04 from litter mates,this is where I got my female Roatan.
After I speak with Kevin,I`m thinking some things may get clear on some grey info ?? maybe not ?? LOL!!
GREAT NEWS ............
Sargent is planning to crank up the Roatans again!! pending a litter due out soon from another source!!:woot: !!

T/

>>Dennis' line of Firebellies are from founder animals collected on Roatan and the births and boas mentioned in our posts below are in fact Firebellies from Dennis' '01 and '02 breedings of these founders.
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>>We also believe in maintaining the lineage of these animals as island specific and have hopes of providing F2 Firebellies in '05

I got it copyed for future reference,"Good Luck" in the future with the "Roatan Firebellies", i can tell your a Man on A Mission, gotta keep that Sargent Line Going ! ! ! Have A Good One ! !
Kenneth

He has owned 11 of them, seen both litters at birth in '01 and '02, investigated the documentation of the founders and still has 2.2 of the best of the '01 and '02 babies. More to come in another year or so!
Kevin

Who is the "He" your refering to exactly ?I`m unclear on this ?

T/

>>He has owned 11 of them, seen both litters at birth in '01 and '02, investigated the documentation of the founders and still has 2.2 of the best of the '01 and '02 babies. More to come in another year or so!
>>Kevin

I have owned 11 of them, seen both litters at birth in '01 and '02, investigated the documentation of the founders and I still have 2.2 of the best of the '01 and '02 babies. More to come in another year or so!

Ok then !
Kevin I think we need to talk.
I just had a short chat with Dennis today and learned some things,not all of it was what I wanted to hear but then again some was pretty cool !Were to talk again here in the next week or so,he was busy and had to take the wife out to eat so again the chat was short.
Drop me a line with your ph # if ya dont mind and I`ll call you on my dime. I`m in Texas so its CST.

Tommy

>>I have owned 11 of them, seen both litters at birth in '01 and '02, investigated the documentation of the founders and I still have 2.2 of the best of the '01 and '02 babies. More to come in another year or so!

our number is on our home page at the bottom below the email link. www.Ectothermics.com Any time before 7:00 Pm Eastern.
Thanks

A W E S O M E C O N V E R S A T I O N We had
and looking forward to the future !

T/

>>our number is on our home page at the bottom below the email link. www.Ectothermics.com Any time before 7:00 Pm Eastern.
>>Thanks

THIS IS SO F*CKING STUPID..
REALY YOU DUMB F*X!!! hey can anyone & I mean anyone at all tell me the differance between a head shot of a mainland Guatemala Boa/BCI a Panama/BCI & a Hounduras/BCI?If you can tell me the differance can you prove it? Now dumb sh*ts listen Yeah you!!!! Do the math and the naked eye skills. Oh wait so many people on this forum are stupid!!!! People listen for one time in your life which im sure sux!!!!!roatan Fire belly boas was a phrase and a local project created by Dennis Sargent..Many of you loosers sell mainland boas as firebellys becuase they have what ornage bellies and bring more money.. F*ck offf!!!!!! Three people only three realy where the originals to get these boas and I know who they are now do you and if you do who?nothing some paper work cant fix from the goverments of these countries.. some of you idiots say the Jack Dyer Blood line is roatan WHY is that? Jack will tell you his snakes came from the mainland meaning they didng come from Islands!!!! Look at the EYES of your animals hell break out the old tape messure and do your own reasurch fags!!hell you know what when your boa sheds how about you do the B&W copy photos and count the scales tell me whats different..Really there are only a hand few of people that knkow their sh*t, Tim Mead,Gus Renfro,Ricky Lockett, & Terry Vandeventer & at time Dennis Sargent is good but he backs the RED SO I LOL.. buh BYE F*ckers

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