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I've been watching as alot of people this year achieved greater than theoretical percentages of visible morphs from het to het breedings - some of these breedings including unproven (until the time of hatching) 50% het animals.

Well, I came home to this the evening of the last Hamburg show. It's from a male het, bred to a 50% het female. Other than hets, I really haven't got involved with albinos too much, and was just hoping to hatch a male albino from this clutch that I could raise up. Out of 4 eggs, this was the last that I opened, with the first three being normals. You can imagine the roller coaster that cutting open those four eggs took me on. By the third egg, I was really feeling the Hamburg trip. By the fourth egg, I was running for the camera and knocking down anything that stood in my way. Someone up there was saving the best for last.

And, it IS a male

I didn't beat the percentage odds. But definitely got handed the horseshoe on a nice unique male.

Enjoy,

Joe Yakelis
HellFire Reptiles

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PLEASE tell me who you got the parents from..... And who they got THEIR animals from (if you know this) I believe that the paradox albino is a genetically reproducable trait and I've been trying to keep track of the lines of various ones I've seen.

Very Very nice.

Thanks for posting..

VOT

Have you heard the outcome of any of the breedings of paradox albinos yet?

I'm wondering if they are homozygous albino or just heterozygous albino. It seems like they all come from breedings involving hets but that may just be co-incidents since I think that's the most common albino breeding so far.

I just produced 5 albinos (3.2) and 3 hets (all males) out of 8 eggs from a Paradox male albino bred to an unrelated Het female. There weren't any Paradox albinos, but then again, none of his female offspring has been bred back to him yet. That will tell for sure if it's genetic I would think.
Paul Edwards

Thanks! The odds sure sound like the paradox is homozygous albino. Any plans to breed it to an actual albino?

Best of luck in proving the paradox part!

>>Thanks! The odds sure sound like the paradox is homozygous albino.

Naw. Randy, think about it. Albino to normal makes provable hets. That proves all by itself that the albino is homozygous for it's own mutation.

Paradox MAY indeed some day prove out to be a second recessive trait... or not.

If you are right then we'd have a three level trait.

#1 - normal looking but provable het albino
#2 - albino - het paradox
#3 - paradox?

I have never heard of a three level genetic trait.

Have you? If so please explain it.

Paradox kenyan sand boas proved out. They make tons of babies, simple to prove out a second trait. If the paradox trait is genetically heritable then in all likelihood it is a second recessive and will take time to prove out.

And will in all likelihood only be found in secondary outcrossed bloodlines or the 'originals' would have them themselves.

The guy asking for sources is on the right track IMHO.
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THis is my Paradox albino male.
Paul Edwards

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Chad Bachman

Man did u ever get lucky!!! First off you proved out your girl, and secondly...Well....He's PARADOX!! Question?? What breeder did u pick up your het. male and pos. female from???
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I can't get enought of these! I'm hoping out of my 3 100% girls I'll get some! You have to wonder about their genetics. Someone needs to start breeding these guys together! Maybe get some breeding loans together or something as I don't think any one person has a pair?
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From what I know there has only been one female paradox hatched, and I don't know who has it. I've talked with the person that hatched it but he lost track of it. All the rest, somewhere around 8, I'm pretty sure are males.

Eric
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Chad Bachman

Very cool snake! What line do the parents originate from?

Eric
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VERY nice.........
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Amazing animal. Congrats.

Thanks for posting the pic. It's results like that, that keep me buying 50% het females.

sure hope at least one is het.
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Jay A. Martin

I have 1.3 100% hets and I'm not sure about buying an albino male for the females for this reason. I want a paradox SO Bad! Who knows...maybe I'll get lucky! Congrats!!!
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mj
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Congratulations. I love stories like that. Hope he does well for you!

Thanks to everyone that replied to my post with congrats and kind words concerning this guy.

This is the third time I've tried posting this reply. Between storms and KS flaking on me when I submit my reply - not having much luck here. So I'll try to make this as short as I can. The reply I wrote last night was a heavy one....lost to a KS flake.

For those that have emailed me or asked on the thread, I'm not sure what lines went into the production of my adults and having a hard time tracing it due to the manner in which they were aquired - show "walkins," past trades etc. I keep a thorough record here. But I have no paper trail for them and have not seen the individual sellers (at shows) for some time. I'd like to know myself.

Also, for those that have asked - I'm holding back all siblings and adults (like I have a choice....LOL). I really promote outbreeding in all my projects, not just balls. But this obviously needs more genetic investigation. So, I'm going to join the ranks of those trying to find out. I'm sure they'll find out before I do.

Just to touch briefly on my thoughts of the genetics, briefly as opposed to the argument that could be made - I definitely would think there is a better oppty to create more of these from animals that already possess the mutation in their gene pool, than those that don't. I guess that's obvious right? Whether it's proven or not in the next year or so, ask any geneticist and they'll tell you that the primary genetics that we're concerned with as breeders (recessive/dominance/het/homozygous/percentages), are just the tip of the genetic iceberg when it comes to gene sharing and other genetic catalysts/theories that could be involved.

So hopefully, someone will come up with something concrete in the near future on these. Until then, I guess I need to make some more room

Thanks again,

Joe Yakelis
HellFire Reptiles