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Check it out, this is different than the widely publicized "ban" bill. This will limit the sale of all snakes which reach an adult length greater than 8 feet... This means coastal carpets, in addition to many other harmless species.

NYS residents please contact your local assemblyman in an intelligent and organized manner stating that you don't wish to see this bill passed.

Non-NYS residents, you should contact your local governments and tell them the same. Many states are quick to follow NY and CA in their legislation, and your state could be next.

Kept in a properly sized enclosure by a well trained keeper large snakes are not dangerous, but the boneheads who keep them stressed in their small apartment over a bowling alley should not be allowed to keep them.

A licensing system would be better because there are people who do keep them responsibly. Strangely, as with banning large lizards, there is a better case at banning certain breeds of dogs.

If not, they should make it 12 feet not 8... because 12 includes burmese, rock, and reticulated pythons. All the species I listed are either aggressive or bipolar, sometimes they just snap and start biting/killing/eating. Experienced keepers should only keep those species.
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Current Collection:
0.1 Antherystic Elaphe Guttata Guttata - Corn Snake
1.0 Elaphe Vulpina Gloydi - Eastern Fox Snake
0.1 Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta - Black Rat Snake
0.1 Leucistic Elaphe Obsoleta Linheimeri - Texas Ratsnake
1.1 Morelia Spilota Cheyni - Jungle Carpet Python

where did you hear that it was 8'? It's actually any species of snake that usually attains a length of 14'.

Look through the bill yourself here:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A11753&sh=t

As you'll see, carpet pythons will still be entirely legal. i'm worried about it still though. Look at it this way. There are tons of reptile stores in new york that sell those larger snakes and monitors, but are only equipped to keep them up to a certain size. What happens when they can't sell their stock off and they end up with many HUGE animals that they can't afford to house and take care of? They obviously haven't thought out the bill well enough for it to be ready to go through.

The bill you list is an amended version of the ownership ban bill. Which as I stated in my post is NOT related to the bill I'm speaking of.

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A09988&sh=t

Will take you to the listing of an "exotic animal" SALE bill which will prevent the sale of "non human vertibrates" in the following classes (please skip to section B for reptile specifics, but I think many of us will be affected by the other animals on this list):

8. "DANGEROUS EXOTIC ANIMAL" MEANS ANY MEMBER OF THE FOLLOWING FAMI-
26 LIES, INCLUDING HYBRIDS THEREOF, WHICH DUE TO THEIR INHERENT NATURE, MAY
27 BE CONSIDERED DANGEROUS TO HUMANS, AND FURTHER DEFINED AS FOLLOWS:
28 (A) CLASS MAMMALIA
29 (1) ORDER ARTIODACTYLA (HIPPOPOTAMUSES, GIRAFFES, CAMELS, DEER, BUT
30 NOT CATTLE, SWINE, SHEEP OR GOATS)
31 (2) ORDER CARNIVORA
32 (I) FAMILY FELIDAE (LIONS, TIGERS, COUGARS, LEOPARDS, OCELOTS,
33 SERVALS, BUT NOT DOMESTIC CATS OR FERAL CATS WHICH SHALL MEAN DOMESTI-
34 CATED CATS WHICH WERE FORMERLY OWNED AND HAVE BEEN ABANDONED AND ARE NO
35 LONGER SOCIALIZED, AS WELL AS THE OFFSPRING OF SUCH CATS)
36 (II) FAMILY CANIDAE (WOLVES, COYOTES, FOXES, JACKALS, BUT NOT DOMESTI-
37 CATED DOGS)
38 (III) FAMILY URSIDAE (BEARS)
39 (IV) FAMILY MUSTELIDAE (WEASELS, SKUNKS, MARTIN, MINKS, BUT NOT
40 FERRETS)
41 (V) FAMILY PROCYONIDAE (RACCOONS, COATIS)
42 (VI) FAMILY HYAENIDAE (HYENAS)
43 (VII) FAMILY VIVERRIDAE (CIVETS, GENETS, MONGOOSES, BINTURONGS)
44 (3) ORDER EDENTATIA (ANTEATERS, ARMIDILLOS, SLOTHS)
45 (4) ORDER MARSUPIALIA (OPPOSSUMS, KANGAROOS, WALLABIES)
46 (5) ORDER PERISSODACTYLA (RHINOCEROS, TAPIRS, BUT NOT HORSES, DONKEYS
47 OR MULES)
48 (6) ORDER PRIMATES (LEMURS, MONKEYS, CHIMPANZEES, GORILLAS)
49 (7) ORDER PROBOSCIDAE (ELEPHANTS)
50 (8) ORDER RODENTIA (SQUIRRELS, PRAIRIE DOGS, BEAVERS, PORCUPINES,
51 GAMBIEN RATS, BUT NOT GUINEA PIGS, RATS, MICE, GERBILS OR HAMSTERS)
52 (B) CLASS REPTILIA
53 (1) ORDER SQUAMATA
54 (I) FAMILY VARANIDAE (ONLY WATER MONITORS AND CROCODILE MONITORS)
55 (II) FAMILY IGUANAIDAE (ONLY GREEN IGUANAS AND ROCK IGUANAS)

A. 9988--B 3

1 (III) FAMILY BOIDAE (ALL SPECIES WHOSE ADULT LENGTH CAN EXCEED EIGHT
2 FEET IN LENGTH)
3 (IV)FAMILY COLUBRIDAE (ONLY BOOMSLANGS AND AFRICAN TWIG SNAKES)
4 (V) FAMILY ELAPIDAE
5 (VI) FAMILY NACTRICIDAE (ONLY KEELBACK SNAKES)
6 (VII) FAMILY VIPERIDAE
7 (2) ORDER CROCODILIA.

why would they put a sale ban in place if they already are planning on an ownership ban, and why would they make the sale ban more stict in some places than the ownership bill, and less strict in others (from what I see the sale ban only prohibits water monitors and croc monitors or something of that nature, the ownership ban includes many more).

I think this shows that sometimes government just doesn't know what they are doing. I officially hate this state.

Email your local representitives and the governor. Let them know how these laws will negatively impact you as a citizen of the state and the state's economy. Be sure to include your name age and location, you'll find that people below voting age will receive little regard, unfortunately.

Keep the letters intelligent, and clean. Do not use vulgarity, accusations, or far fetched scenarios.

Simply stating "I hate this state" won't stop this or other states from taking away your rights.

People of other states, you need to stress to your local governments that these laws are unfair and not supported by you. Your rights of ownership could be next.

I've tried. I've written and sent countless intelligent emails, I've tried calling representatives, and tons of other reptile advocates have as well, with no replies.

It's like they just don't care. I'm not going to stop trying, I'm just really aggitated though.

You won't get much of a direct reply from any gov't official. They get too many really, it's a same to think that our 'representitives' are too busy to respond to the people they're representing, but that's how it goes.

I've dedicated a good portion of my time to animal trade laws on the state and federal levels, and it's always the same. While it may not seem like they're listening, if enough people voice their opinion, they do.

Keep at it, and get others to do the same, and we'll beat these laws, and the ones that are sure to follow.