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noise disturbance?

umop_apisdn Aug 27, 2004 12:33 PM

ok. i keep the grand majority of my gex in my bedroom (i have phantasticus, pietschmanni, and crested geckos). apart from when i play music in my room (softly, i am always considerate of my animals' sensitivity), there is usually a near-silence. last night it got a lil too warm in the room for me, so i turned on the fan, turned out the lights, and tried to go back to sleep. the fan created a considerable amount of noise, but not excessive. it was probably loud enough to where i could no longer hear my geckos crawl around their tanks, but still loud enough for me to hear vocalization.

so after turning on the fan, i tried to go back to sleep. perhaps it was coincidence, but almost immediately afterwards, there was quite a bit of vocalization coming from my pietschmanni. now i have been trying my best to get these guys breeding since i got them earlier this year, and rarely heard any vocalization. suddenly, at least one of them was making quite a bit of noise, enough to make me wonder....

is noise a necessary part of the life of these geckos? the more deeply i thought about it, the more i thought that this could be true. when i think of tropical forests, i think of a constant buzz in the air due to whatever weather there may be, not to mention the multitudes of insects and animals found in forests. basically, i couldnt think of a silent tropical forest, unless it had been devoid of life.

furthermore, i took the consideration of the presence of noise (perhaps 'ambient noise' even) to mask one's exact location, to an extent. for example, an animal's location would (supposedly) be easier to distinguish in a more silent area than if there were some type of noise in the area. now as we know with the beautiful camouflage that is found in many uroplatus, among countless other animals, predator avoidance can be a key to survival. perhaps the buzz of a living forest is a natural part of the life of some species of uroplatus. taking that further, the fact that many geckos, including uroplatus, are vocal - perhaps the surrounding noises are, in essence, a type of mask to courting geckos using their voices.

now i understand that one observation of increased vocal communication between pietschmanni due to increased ambient noise is nowhere close to substantiating the idea, but does anyone else think this idea is too far-fetched? to me, it makes sense that these geckos would be more vocal in the presence of other noises, for the simple fact that there is this huge, predator-like being sharing space with them (me, of course) almost every day. the increased noise in the room provides some sort of auditory 'cover' to hide under, should they be in the right 'mood,' so to speak, to reproduce.

now i apologize if this doesnt make sense to many. im just a zoology student and suddenly many things i learned in the past few years began running through my head last night. i would love to experiment with the idea, although the difficulty would be obvious for the fact i have nowhere near the amount of subjects to experiment with, not to mention im still an undergrad. for now, im going to experiment a little in a not-so-scientific way, and see if the increased vocalization remains. i also welcome anyone else's comments, suggestions, and questions as well, because this case have obviously intrigued me! it would be awesome to find a way to set up a better breeding background for my geckos, and im sure there are many others who would to try things aimed at increasing the reproductive success of their wild-caught uroplatus!

Replies (10)

AndersC Aug 27, 2004 02:40 PM

I must say that it makes sense, that they react on the noise, I will look forward to hear much more about the "testresults"

And if they turn out in the right way, I will do similar with my U.phantasticus!!

umop_apisdn Aug 27, 2004 03:14 PM

well fyi, i have phantasticus in the same room, so if i get any results from them too, ill be sure to let everyone know. havent 'knowingly' heard any vocalization from my phants ever.

russ31 Aug 28, 2004 02:09 PM

hi do they only make noises when its time for them to breed or any cause my satanics are in my room and i have never heard them make any noise

umop_apisdn Aug 28, 2004 08:11 PM

i can honestly say the only time ive ever heard vocalization from a satanic was a baby when i was misting it, maybe at a month old. i wouldnt worry at all if you hear nothing from them.

lismil Aug 27, 2004 02:53 PM

Is it possible that maybe instead of it being the noise, that the fan may have caused a sudden temperature drop or something, and this is what got them going? ...........Just a thought.

umop_apisdn Aug 27, 2004 03:16 PM

no, it wasnt due to a temperature drop. i avoid putting any fans around the room after i have just sprayed because i fear that it could cause too sudden of a temperature drop and stress the animals. it was rather sudden for the vocalizations as well, minutes after i put the fan up and turned the light back out.

PHEve Aug 27, 2004 10:18 PM

If you guys have any treefrogs, you may have noticed simular behavior.

I have green treefrogs and redeyes.

The green treefrogs will call, when, I run the vacumm cleaner, EVERYTIME ! And also they will vocalize and call to each other when we use the hair dryer.

The herp room is a bedroom , next to the bathroom, and everyday when the dryer goes on they begin to call.

Why, kind of the same thing, as the geckos with the fan?

Is it a certain frequency of sound that the frogs or geckos are picking up, maybe?

I know this all sounds ridiculous, but it is something I have pondered on before also.
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OhioGeckos Aug 28, 2004 04:14 AM

I believe that added noise is a necessity for breeding most arboreal geckos. Unlike most terrestrial geckos which are usually very communal, arboreal geckos stay very secluded. While you might find about 100 or more Giant Day Geckos in a single tree, that does not mean that they are communal. They picked out their home and are defending it from other geckos. I think of most arboreal geckos as I do my chameleons. That they absolutely hate seeing each other throughout the year. I have tried this out with my Tokay geckos and while it doesn't seem to change the fertility rate much, it gives the geckos a chance to call out and find a mate. I tested this with 2 males in seperate cages and a female inbetween. After a day or 2 of calling it was clear which male she wanted (the one who wouldn't shut up!). I will test this further to see if the fertility is greater since she "hand-picked" her mate.

uroplatusguy Aug 30, 2004 02:31 PM

i read the post but have have something to say about noise disturbance. there has been many a time with my mosseys that it would be completly quiet but i would hear them chirp or call when i did not have the fan on. I am not saying that it is true in every case but it happend in mine. also i put a fan on all my uroplatus and i have not noiticed an increase amount of vocalizations with either my satanics or my ebanaui.

umop_apisdn Aug 31, 2004 07:01 PM

yea, i honestly havent heard much since, and it disappointed me to be honest. i just got real excited that night when i turned the fan on, only to hear a sudden burst of vocalizations. it seems now more to be a coincidence. i have since had the fan running on some nights, off on others, and havent noticed anything out of the ordinary. it was just an idea that sparked thought in my head while i was asleep, and thought there was a possibility it was a good idea. but nothing i have seen/heard since has substantiated the idea, granted its only been a few days. anyway, ill keep the fan running periodically and keep things under a watchful eye, being sure to let you people know if anything happens.

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