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If you watch the current events in Najaf you will find out that it is the first step for the Ayatollahs to took over in Iraq.

Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani in power was surely the objective that the U.S. intended when they started this war, or should I be mistaken.

Word is, that a spy from Israel in the Pentagon has contributed a great deal that this war started. Are the U.S. useful idiots for Israel?

By the way, is there anybody out there who still thinks that this war was a good idea?

>>By the way, is there anybody out there who still thinks that this war was a good idea?

Yep!

The corporations--- Profiting off this war, most who have DEEP ties to those in the administration.

OSAMA--- And other Muslim fanatics. We just stepped up his recruitment 10 fold.

Plus there are plenty of "Sheeple" who have been swept up in the massive propaganda war that took place. Still believing that Iraq or Saddam had WMD, Ties to Osama, and a hand in 911.

For them to accept that they where wrong is NOT an option.

DO NOT THINK that America is above conducting information warfare on its own citizens, It has been doing so for some time now.

Please research:

PSYOPS
MK-ULTRA

Suggested reading:

Hegemony or Survival "Americas quest for global dominance" By Noam Chomsky

Understanding Power: By Noam Chomsky

Both will change the way you see the US!

An artillery shell used as a bomb against U.S.A. troops was filled with Sarin gas. The shell was designed so that in flight a mixture of two chemicals would mix and create the Sarin, luckily it wasn't used as artillery so the casualties from Sarin were minimal if any.
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is every first term chemistry student allowed to mix sarin in germany? if so, i'm glad im safe and sound in the U.S.A.
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uh...em....You really think some of the kook groups we have in this country (USA)haven't considered it? Who would have thought an American would bomb that building in Oklahoma?

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Students have probably thought, but i really don't think they would get away with it. But, if you wanna poison someone give them some wild almonds.
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That's ok for one person (almonds)....but for best effect you still would go with gas or (better) Bio weapons.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

The truth is, over 20 chemical shells have been found, and a number of them exploded. Fourtunately, they were all fairly old, or used incorrectly, so no deaths are know to have occured from them.

Rodney

20 old chemical shells.......Hmmmm could those be relics from the Iraq-Iran war? Doesn't really get me excited out WMD's.

Sounds more like antique collecting attached to wishful thinking.......(lol)

How about something where the casings aren't rust pitted with age????

As to the war is inevitable excuse...I prefer approaching a problem with the additude of "Let's hope for diplomacy first".

You've been quiet for a while Rodney. Nice to have you back rattling sabres again!

Frank (who watches the Playboy channel and knows the truth about "Global warming"(lol)
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Pathetic..thats the word that comes to mind when I think of people that continue, despite overwhelming evidence and testimonies to the contrary , to beleive that there were WMD's in Iraq that posed a threat to us.

Hermann is right...Bin ladens organization has upped its recruitment by about 60 % compared to pre-Iraq invasion levels.
A steady supply of young men and women who are willing to die in order to carry out a mission. Its insane, and we made it possible by invading and STAYING the COURSE. Or should I say the CURSE.

You beleive in our troops, , fine, then:

**BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW**
Before one more dies in this misled war.

Sincerely,

Fred

As to the war is inevitable excuse...I prefer approaching a problem with the additude of "Let's hope for diplomacy first".

It's not an excuse, just a look at reality. We had 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq that resulted in nothing. They violated every aspect of the peace treaty they sighned, along with 12 years of UN resolutions violations. How much longer should we have given them, diplomatically, when they showed no inclination to honor a single item?

All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing-----------or to accomplish nothing by trying to be diplomatic (with no end in sight) with those who do not honor diplomacy!

Yeah, it has been a while since I have been on here. Started raising crickets to make some extra $$. Raising about 40K of them a week now, plus I've been busy collecting/digging up eggs and getting the hatchlings started on food. About 100 colubrids hatched so far, with about 25 to go---plus some balls/spotted pythons and a gravid emerald tree boa. Hope everyone else is having a great breeding season too!---Including the playboy bunnies.

Rodney

OK.......How can you set a time limit on negotiation?

I think that without the definite smoking gun, like we catch them ABOUT to do a Polish land grab(like in WW2), a 911, or a Pearl Harbor, there is no excuse for us to go to war. You can't just say "I'm tired of negotiations so lets go to war Thursday."

That is the difference between justifiable National Defence (of ourselves or our allies) and Imperialism.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

Korea most likely has them also, as do many other countries with DICTATORS that are in power. Have we gone after any of them? Why not? Based on this policy we ought to. The world allready hates the U.S....in a big way, what has this administration done to this country?

Sincerely,

Fred Albury

Have we gone after any of them? Why not?

Did North Korea sign a peace treaty that they have been violating for the last 12 years? Has North Korea been shooting missiles at US planes on a daily basis for the past 12 years? Did north Korea violate many many UN resolutions (the last one which called for extreme consequences) over the last 12 years while showing no real interest in negotiation?

That's your difference!

And besides that, do you think the US should be fighting multiple wars at the same time? Not a very smart thing to do! Would that make you happy about the Iraq war? Maybe if we were fighting North Korea, Syria, and Iran along with Iraq you would be happy about our going into Iraq? I doubt it. If that would make you happy, I guess that would make your point a valid one. If that wouldn't make you happy, your point is bogus.

Rodney

I think the world champion in disregarding UN resolutions is Israel, not the Iraq. That's only by the way.

I have the strong feeling that the U.S. was tricked into this war. According to coverage of German TV news a spy from Israel in the Pentagon fed the brass there with wrong informations as to alleged WMD in Iraq.

As a matter of fact the only ones who took advantage of this war were the big companies and.... Israel. Now the U.S. do the dirty work for them. It was also reported in German newspapers that doctors, engineers and university lecturers in Iraq are murdered systematically in order to destroy the elite in Iraq.
Suspects are the Iran and Israel.

Back to Korea: The Koreans have no reason to shoot at U.S. planes because U.S. planes don't violate their territory like they systematic used to do in Iraq (based on a UN resolution, though).

No one with a sound mind can claim that the world is a more safer place now. On the contrary: The price for crude oil is rising tremendously, so is the number of terrorists and terrorist attacks. The wildfire of terrorism is spreading even more now.

This war was fighting a fire with gas. I think, Saddam was the minor evil. With the war on Iraq Pandorras box had been opened.

Those who don't believe it will learn it (the hard way) during the following years.

I am inclined to agree in part with your statements. Not the Isreal thing becausre I think Business creates it's own evils without a country to base it on.

The murder of doctors and lawyers (LAWYERS....is that a bad thing?)is usually the actions of an inside governing group. Intellegent educated people are what revolutions come from. Hitler understood that which is why his first victims were the educated Germans.

All we have done in Iraq is create a quagmire. We won the "Big " war...but we tied a noose around one leg with it. We are stuck like a bear in a trap.

Anyone who hunts knows that the best way to trap a big animal (if you don't have high powered weapons)is to use the dogs to distract it so that the snares can be made good to hold. The animal becomes trapped and easy to pick off. The large countrys die because they get involved with so much outside that they have to maintain, that they neglect the cancers that grow within.

As fell the Mongol empire, the empire of Alexander, Rome, the USSR...(and so many more that over extended)so will fall the US if we don't take care of home first.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

no large modern country will survive if we don't take care of business overseas.
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True enough but here's the rub...If you over extend the cost in maintaing you exostructure will drain your home reserves. No single country is big enough or wealthy enough to control the rest of the world. Take a good look at how much two little wars have drained this country in the four years. Imagine the impact another war would have. That is my point....Take care of home first.

It is stupid to throw millions upon hundreds of millions to build up a country that could again be our enemy tomorrow and at the same time ignore the problems at home that are much more vital to our country's health.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

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Well put Frank!..

Back to Korea: The Koreans have no reason to shoot at U.S. planes because U.S. planes don't violate their territory like they systematic used to do in Iraq (based on a UN resolution, though).

What? That was part of the peace treaty Iraq agreed to after the first Gulf war.-- So we could fly over them unmolested and monitor other aspects of the peace treaty (like troop movements so they could not invade any other countries) to make sure they were abiding to all aspects of the treaty. That is probably why they were shooting at us in the first place--to keep us from "spying" and discovering other peace treaty violations.

As for Korea, they have signed no such treaty, so flying over them would be a violation of their territory, unlike Iraq.

The point is, we have not gone after Korea because diplomatic attempts haven't been exhausted with them, and they haven't been systematically violating both resolutions and a peace treaty, and they haven't been shooting at us on a daily basis like Iraq has.

Rodney

Does it really count as a WMD to have shells and no one intelligent enough to know how to use them properly?

It does when people say things like, "There were NO WMDs found" when clearly there were! To say none were found, is clearly a lie. All of a sudden, the word none means "none that I consider to be". Kind of like "it depends on what your definition of "is" is.--LOL

But why do so many people ignore all the other weapons violations that were found (like long range missiles)? Is it because they can't bash bush with those because those are proven? Is it because the intelligence agencies around the world were right about those violations? If you kill someone, and a cop arrests you for murder, are you then completely innocent of all crimes because you can claim you didn't commit robbery? At this point, who really cares if WMD's weren't found, many other weapons violations were, along with the UN resolutions, and the peace treaty.--including supporting terrorism.

Rodney

Yep, I do. And so does pres. Bush.

I think this war was inevitable. It was just a matter of time before the U.S. got hit bad enough before we were so enraged that we fought back. If 9/11 wasn't the catalyst, maybe a chemical bomb a year from now, or a tactical nuke 10 years from now would get us into action. The 9/11 comission stated that there were many links between Al Queda and Iraq, just not between Iraq and 9/11. And considering Iraqs behavior---all the UN resolutions violations, peace treaty violations,etc. this war was a no-brainer.

Before you get all in a huff, remember that John Kerry stated that he thinks so too! He said he would have supported the war in Iraq even if he knew there were no WMDs! And that the UN voted unanimously for resolution 1441, which called for serious consequences to take place, but then failed to act.

(It's funny, but I always agree with about 1/2 of what Kerry says. Then he changes his positions, and I still agree with half of what he says! But now it's the other half!)

Rodney