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madmatt Aug 29, 2004 02:14 AM

Hi there Ram,
The Commies are still talking about global warming, now they are saying it is occurring in the arctic, with arctic sea temps increasing even further down than a mile deep! What global warming I say! Here is something for your refuting powers!

Major temperature rise recorded in Arctic this year: German scientists

Sat Aug 28,12:03 PM ET Add Science - AFP to My Yahoo!

PARIS (AFP) - German scientists probing global warming said they had detected a major temperature rise this year in the Arctic Ocean and linked this to a progressive shrinking of the region's sea ice.

AWI Photo

Temperatures recorded this year in the upper 500 metres (1,625 feet) of sea in the Fram Strait -- the gap between Greenland and the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen -- were up to 0.6 C (1.08 F) higher than in 2003, they said in a press release received here.

The rise was detectable to a water depth of 2,000 metres (6,500 feet), "representing an exceptionally strong signal by ocean standards," it said.

The experts, from the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in Bremerhaven, have been recording temperatures aboard a specialised vessel, Polarstern (Pole Star), for the past six weeks.

The sampling has been taking place in the West Spitsbergen Current, which carries warm water from the Atlantic into the Arctic Ocean.

The institute said water in the Fram Strait has been warming steadily since 1990 and over the past three years, satellite images had documented "a clear recession" of sea ice edges, both in the strait and the Barents Sea.

The latest data "point towards a further warming tendency," the institute said.

In June, a UN organisation announced that American scientists had detected an "alarmingly rapid growth" this year in airborne concentrations of carbon dioxide (CO2), the fossil-fuel pollutant blamed for global warming.

CO2 levels recorded in March 2004 at Hawaii measured 379 parts per million (ppm), an increase of three ppm over the previous year.

By comparison, there had been an annual increase of only 1.8 ppm over the past decade. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 before the Industrial Revolution were 280 ppm.

The June announcement was made at a conference on renewable energies in Bonn by Joke Waller-Hunter, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) -- the United Nations (news - web sites)' paramount environment accord.

CO2 is the most important of the six "greenhouse" gases blamed for driving changes to the world's delicate climate system.

These gases hang like an invisible shroud in the atmosphere, trapping the Sun's heat and inflicting what many scientists predict will be serious changes to icecaps, glaciers and weather patterns.

In the Earth's distant past, climate change has occurred naturally, by emissions of CO2 disgorged by volcanoes and other phenomena.

But the overwhelming majority of climate experts say CO2 levels are rising fast today because of the unbridled burning of oil, gas and coal.

Opinions differ, though, as to how fast the effects will occur and how bad they will be.

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Sobek Aug 29, 2004 01:05 PM

The white house this past week as also changed its stance on the issue.

But

When Bush was asked about it by the press his response was:

"We did?"

What a loser..lolol Just goes to show that he has no idea whats going on.

rodmalm Aug 30, 2004 03:59 AM

Clearly this is a bunch of environmental wackos trying to connect dots that aren't even slightly related.

Temperatures recorded this year in the upper 500 metres (1,625 feet) of sea in the Fram Strait -- the gap between Greenland and the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen -- were up to 0.6 C (1.08 F) higher than in 2003, they said in a press release received here.

DOES ANYONE WITH ANY COMMON SENSE THINK THAT THE WARMING OF THE EARTHS ATMOSPHERE BY ONLY A COUPLE OF DEGREES IN 100 YEARS COULD WARM THE SEA BY THIS MUCH IN JUST ONE YEAR? THESE GUYS MUST BE INSANE!

I don't think that if you were to warm the air by 100 degrees today, and keep it there, (more than 10 times more than the "predicted" raise in air temps over the next 100 years), and then come back and check the water temps a year later you could get that much of change! And they think you could get this kind of a change by warming the earth's air by a fraction of 1/10 of a degree(one years worth of the alarmists predictions)? How could you warm the ocean by this much, when you are only warming the air by a small fraction of this amount? Thats like saying your kitchen is at 72 degrees. If you want to fry an egg, warm the air to 74 degrees, and that will make your frying pan 300 degrees! Totally nuts!

Think about it. Just use some common sense and some simple math. Air pressure at sea level is about 14 lbs/square inch. One gallon of water placed in a column that was one inch square would be about 231 inches tall. One gallon of water is about 6.5 lbs., so rounding to 7lbs, to make the math easier, the atmosphere in one square inch of surface area above the ocean would contain about the same amount of heat as two gallons of water would, or a depth of 462 inches of ocean. (hope I explained that well enough)

462 inches of sea water is about 38 feet, and 38 feet is just 2 percent of the 1625 feet quoted in the article. It's pretty obvious that there is no way that the extremely small increase in air temps. that these alarmists are predicting in one year (1/100th of whatever prediction you believe by the UN), and then multiply this small change by 2% to get the ocean temp change (the 2% influence calculate earlier) could change the temp. of the water by even the smallest fraction of what they are claiming.--and this is assuming a total heat exchange between the atmosphere and water up to 1,625 feet could occur in just on year. (Ever try to heat water just by warming the air above it? To a depth of 1,625 feet? It would take a very long time indeed!)

(Actually, one of my much earlier posts explained the fraud in what this article is claiming. Undersea geothermal vents are warming the water, not green house gasses. And this warming would be occurring somewhere else on the ocean floor without these vents, so there is no net change in earth temps. because of these vents.)

Rodney

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