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Help with baby savannah (throwing up)

corrupt Aug 29, 2004 03:23 AM

My baby savannah monitor, whom I've had for about a week, has been throwing up just about everything he eats. I started him out on crickets, which he chased and ate readily, only to throw them up within the hour.
Yesterday I fed him a pinky which he ate, and another pinky today, which he went straight after. (He's very skinny.) About 2 hours after eating the pinky, he threw it up along with yesterday's pinky. I take him out and he just lays there, I can put him on the bed and he just sits there and closes his eyes. He should be more alert, moving around.. but he's not sadly.

Any ideas on what's wrong with him? And what to do about it? As of now he's in a 40 gallon long along with a 75 watt heat lamp and a UVB light. Fresh water changed every day. He still flicks his tongue sometimes but beyond that, as much as I hate to say it, I think he may die.. unless we can figure out what's wrong with him and to get him eating without throwing it up.

Replies (6)

corrupt Aug 29, 2004 03:27 AM

I just threw in some small grilled chicken pieces (plain) cut up really small about 5 minutes ago and I see him eating them right now. (First time I've offered him something different other than crickets or pinkies.)

I wonder how long until he throws this up now?

Lucien Aug 29, 2004 04:40 AM

What are his temps? Sounds more like he's not getting heated up enough to utilize the food you're giving him. I had the same problem with my adult sav when they put the Air conditioning in my house. I had to readjust her heating. She regurged 3 times but as soon as her basking spot and heat went back up it stopped. Make sure he has a high basking spot.. 120-150 degrees...ambient 85... warm side 95, cool side 75-80. Give him a day or two off food.. it should kill him and make sure the temps are right. After you make certain of the temps then feed him.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
3.5.3 Leopard geckos (2.0 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 0.1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short), 1.0 Rainwater Albino (Mycah), 0.4 Poss. Het. Albino (Annika, Lace, Rain and Aris) and 2.1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice, Malfeas, and Mystic))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
3 cats (Ashe, Sahara and Hercules)
6 Fish (4 Red Danios, 1 Cardinal Fish, and 1 Tiger Barb)
8 Ramshorn snails
"And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!"

corrupt Aug 30, 2004 03:03 AM

Wow up to 150 degrees basking spot? I'll plan on picking up a temperature gauge for the tank tommorow but if I had to guess I'd say the basking spot was in the 90's. I just increased the 75 watt heat bulb to a 100 watt one in the mean time. The reptile shop I got my baby from has "basking spot of 90 to 100" listed on their care sheet.
He's eating again today (not a single day gone by without him eating since I've had him) - a couple of crickets, and he hasn't thrown up that chicken from yesterday so hopefully everything will be ok from here on, especially after learning about the basking spot being much higher (heat wise) than I thought it should be.

Lucien Aug 30, 2004 08:17 AM

First thing ya learn.. never trust pet shop advice. Always look for yourself.. The basking surface that a monitor lays on can get up to 160 degrees or more without being detrimental and the animal will use it. Ask SHvar... he's taken readings of 180 for the Albigs he keeps which are similar to Bosc's but a different species... So get those basking temps up and it should be fine. It sounds more like a temp problem than anything else. My Sav has only regurged twice in her life and both times it was due to lack of a basking spot...both times her lights burnt out on me while I was away for 2 days. Everything is on a timer for lights on and off... but no one was here to fix the blasted bulbs. Indoor/Outdoor flood lights work really well in a ceramic fitting or Halogen bulbs.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
3.5.3 Leopard geckos (2.0 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 0.1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short), 1.0 Rainwater Albino (Mycah), 0.4 Poss. Het. Albino (Annika, Lace, Rain and Aris) and 2.1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice, Malfeas, and Mystic))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
3 cats (Ashe, Sahara and Hercules)
6 Fish (4 Red Danios, 1 Cardinal Fish, and 1 Tiger Barb)
8 Ramshorn snails
"And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!"

odatriad Aug 30, 2004 08:56 AM

as I said, in a more recent thread, I think that the problems Corrupt is having with his/her monitor, is based on two parts, that I can see..

1. improper basking temps..95F is not a sufficient basking temp for any monitor. Without proper temps, an animal cannot digest properly, or maintain a rapid metabolic rate..

2. being that they only got this sav a week ago, and it is very skinny, I would suspect it to be a freshly imported individual, or an animal who was in hospitable conditions prior to the acquisition. Nevertheless, the animal is severely dehydrated. Most people think, that when they see a skinny, emaciated, monitor, they see a hungry animal.. This is not the case.. It is siimply dehydration.. The conditions in which the animal was kept prior to you recieving it, was probably what did it...whether it be the exporter's facilities, or the importer/distributor which it came from(initially). I would worry right now, about getting the animal rehydrated, and make sure that it is drinking on its own, before you even consider feeding it. Without proper internal body moisture, the animal is not going to be able to carry out normal events properly, such as digestion...

When I recieve freshly imported, WC tree monitors, they are 99% of the time, skinny as hell; all skin and bones... With them, I do not worry about feeding them for at least a week, sometimes several weeks, as it is getting them hydrated which is important.. Reptiles can go much longer than you think without food, when compared to us mammals... a week or two shouldn't hurt the animal at all. I think forcefeeding, or overfeeding in this transitional period will ultimately lead to the animal's death.

One of the responibilities you take on when getting a WC monitor, is that you must 'nurse' it back to healthy condition, as most wc animals are in rough shape upon the customer recieving them. Unfortunately, most people do not have the knowldege, or have common sense to see that their animals are dehydrated, instead, they see them as starving, which in most cases, is the absolute wrong diagnosis...

I would do something with your cage situation..if you are going to use the aquarium, instead of having a screen top, use plexiglass, or some other impenetrable material, to help prevent moisture from escaping... Try spraying him several days, to encourage it to start drinking on its own.. If that doesn't work, try warm baths, of about 95F water temps, but be careful, only give him baths for a couple of minutes, as water temps cool down quickly...Many people(i am guilty of doing this in the past), let them sit for hours, where the water temps, drop down to room temperature(which is too cold for a monitor), which can harm your animal.. Sometimes, while soaking, the animal reluctantly begins to start drinking..everything usually falls into place after he starts drinking on its own..

I would also refrain from handling now..Regardless of what you want to believe, handling a freshly wild caught animal is indeed stressful...Stress Reptiles = weakened immunological system= sickness= death....

Like i said FEEDING IS THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES RIGHT NOW. Get him drinking, and fix the basking temperatures, and he will come around nicely...that is if he isn't too far gone... from the sounds of your post, he seems gravely ill... I would also encourage you to adjust your other savanah's husbandry, as if you are keeping them in the same fashion, they most certainly are not living healthy lives....

Cheers, and I hope you can make some sense of what i have posted. This is the protocol that I use to acclimate tree monitors, which in my opinion, are significanlty more difficult to acclimate than boscs...Not to mention how sensitive even healthy ones can be to neglect/mistakes...

Take care, have a wonderful day, and best of luck to you..If he does not come around for you, I would recommend visiting a vet, for rehydration injections... but please, cool it with the feedings....for now at least...get him hydrated...

bob
The Odatriad

Lucien Aug 30, 2004 03:50 PM

I think I missed the fact that he's only had this Sav for a week somewhere though he keeps talking about a second larger one he has. I wonder if its under the same conditions..probably if his description of the behaviors is any indication... But, if I had seen that I would have mentioned the dehydration factor...I missed it completely. I completely agree that the animal is probably stressed as hell.. dehydrated and way too cold to do anything monitor like at all. My Bosc sure in the hell won't let me hold her for any length of time...or even touch her for long either. Glad I don't mind the fact... got a few souvinier scars from her claws up my arms the few times I have had to remove her for various things.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
3.5.3 Leopard geckos (2.0 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 0.1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short), 1.0 Rainwater Albino (Mycah), 0.4 Poss. Het. Albino (Annika, Lace, Rain and Aris) and 2.1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice, Malfeas, and Mystic))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
3 cats (Ashe, Sahara and Hercules)
6 Fish (4 Red Danios, 1 Cardinal Fish, and 1 Tiger Barb)
8 Ramshorn snails
"And a Partridge in a Pear Tree!"

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