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Sorry for the gross out picture but i am a worry wart, i can admit it.

On the left we have some urates, liquid and a partially digested pinky mouse (fed Sunday Aug 29)

On the right we have what looks like mucus kinda like phlem you can spit up.

I almost caught his/her in the act it was very fresh. I know this is a regurg, but is it normal? last time it didn't have the mucus stuff.

thanks

Wayne

Whata re the temps in the cage? did you feed right after shedding? it is poossible that might not be regurge if it has urates in them. i hav seen some of my corn poop undigested mice before, i dont know whym they had no worms or anything. raise the temops in the cage a but and see if it helps

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0.1 Albino Cal. King (Fokker)
1.0 Reverse Okeetee Corn (trouble)
0.1 Creamsicle Corn (Spot)
1.1 Bearded Dragons (Bob & Margret)
1.3 Dogs(George, Sandy, Cookie and Ladybird) they are rescues, Lhasa Apso, Mutt, Boxer, and Daschund mix
0.0.22 Bearded Dragon Eggs...more to come
1.0 Betta
0.1 Wife
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Temps are a little high already, the cool end is about 78-82 daytime a little cooler at night 72-76, and constantly 84-86 warm side (UTH).

The regurg was 12-16 hours after shedding, the strange thing is last night he pooed and it was normal looking but smaller than usual. I did feed him one pinky mouse Sunday as i said becuase his normal feeding day was Friday Aug 27th but he was very blue and didn't show interest in the food then, i offored him one pink to hold him over, think i fed too close to shed? or maybe shedding was stressfull and he couldn't digest the mouse properly?

Come to think of it now the regurg from this morning didn't smell any worse than poo. When he regurged last time a few weeks ago it really stunk, enough to wake me from my sleep.

Thanks i really appreciate the help i get on this forum.

Wayne

If he has regurged more than once, here is what i suggest:

1) although he is small, wait at least 1 week before feeding him agian. One of the problems is that he most likely doesnt have much gut flora built back up in his system to digest the food properly. That is probably why it didnt smell 'as bad' as the last time he did so.

2) DONT HANDEL HIM AT ALL!! Raven regurged after i fed her the first time because a) she ate too much and b) i was so excited about getting her that i took her out the next morning for a photo shoot.

3) Use a new sorce of food. another reason may be that the food source that you have may have gone bad or otherwise.

4) check the temp of the food item. IF the food item is frozen in the least ...even a tiny bit..it will cause major probems.

5) be patient...i know that waiting for long periods of time to feed your baby is stressful on you , but it is much better for him in the long run. i havent had another problem with raven since

oh! also, make sure that your baby has very little stress. Make sure that he has dark enough hides, and that the lights arent on all the time, as that could make him stress and in turn regurge.

and...one more, i promise... keep him hydrated during his fast. I suggest alittle pedialyte (unflavored) in his water to keep his strength up too.

I hope this helps. He should be fine. If all else fails, though, dont hesitate to take him to a vet. There arent many things more sad than to watch a beloved snake fade away...

good luck

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>>If he has regurged more than once, here is what i suggest:

this is his second time with regurg first one was August 5th

>>1) although he is small, wait at least 1 week before feeding him agian. One of the problems is that he most likely doesnt have much gut flora built back up in his system to digest the food properly. That is probably why it didnt smell 'as bad' as the last time he did so.

He is a little skinny, but also alittle over 25 inches, he was putting on alittle of weight in the weeks since the regurg thanks to the diet plan Marcel recommended. He is skinny in that picture becuase he only had a small meal while in shed (the one pink Sunday Aug 29th)

>>2) DONT HANDEL HIM AT ALL!! Raven regurged after i fed her the first time because a) she ate too much and b) i was so excited about getting her that i took her out the next morning for a photo shoot.

no handling i know, i only bother him to change out the water with fresh daily since the regurg. And i spend as little time in the room as possible (only to sleep).

>>3) Use a new sorce of food. another reason may be that the food source that you have may have gone bad or otherwise.
>>

Food is from RodentPro so i don't think that is a problem it is a new batch i recieved 2 weeks ago.

>>4) check the temp of the food item. IF the food item is frozen in the least ...even a tiny bit..it will cause major probems.
>>

this is where i am alittle worried, i am rather new to f/t mice and i know they have to be fully thawed, i soak in a cup of hot water for eight minutes changing the water once in the middle. They are flexible and don't feel cold to me.

>>5) be patient...i know that waiting for long periods of time to feed your baby is stressful on you , but it is much better for him in the long run. i havent had another problem with raven since
>>

It has been a while since his last "normal meal" Aug 19th he ate 4 pinks, Aug 23rd 2 pinks ( he was in shed and ate 2 up right away and ignored the other two i offored), then 1 pink Aug 29th with no interest in a second. I am a little worried as he has lost some girth but otherwise seems healthy all normal poo untill the regurg, een a normal one the night before when he shed.

>>oh! also, make sure that your baby has very little stress. Make sure that he has dark enough hides, and that the lights arent on all the time, as that could make him stress and in turn regurge.
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all are in effect, i have the blinds pulled so it isn't too bright even during the day. Normally he is a rather calm snake after the initial first two weeks when he constantly tried to get away.

>>and...one more, i promise... keep him hydrated during his fast. I suggest alittle pedialyte (unflavored) in his water to keep his strength up too.

Water, i know lots and fresh daily.Pedialyte like the stuff you give children? how much is alittle? his water bowel holds approx 8 ounces.

>>I hope this helps. He should be fine. If all else fails, though, dont hesitate to take him to a vet. There arent many things more sad than to watch a beloved snake fade away...
>>
>>good luck

Thanks you, i really appreciate the suggestions, and i sure hope he is fine, i'd hate to loose him esp after loosing 2 hatchlings already i few months ago. This time i got a yearling so it wasn't so delicate, and hopefully wouldn't have any problems.

Wayne

Do me a favor and double check your temps, i dont trust UTH sat all. and dont feed him for like 10-14 days after regurge this will allow him to rebuild his gut flora (degestive enzymes) i have sankes that will eat and can be blue as they get and not have problems but then again i have had them regurge for no reason other than a bad mouse wich is possible. did you refreeze the pink? i dont refreeze more than once after that i throw it away. well good luck

ken

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0.1 Albino Cal. King (Fokker)
1.0 Reverse Okeetee Corn (trouble)
0.1 Creamsicle Corn (Spot)
1.1 Bearded Dragons (Bob & Margret)
1.3 Dogs(George, Sandy, Cookie and Ladybird) they are rescues, Lhasa Apso, Mutt, Boxer, and Daschund mix
0.0.22 Bearded Dragon Eggs...more to come
1.0 Betta
0.1 Wife
0.1 Kid

Surface temps as of 8am Eastern, 74 cool end 82 warm room temp outside aruarium is 65. The UTH i use is a human heating pad which others have recommended in past posts.On the lowest setting it keeps a pretty constant temp around 80-86 depending on the temp in the room. I use a piece of plexiglass to cover part of the screen lid to adjust cool side temps a little.

As i said the food sorce is quality, and once i thaw i don't re-freeze they get tossed in the trash. Last night Kula was very active searching around the tank and under the paper towels as if searching for something. More active than i have ever saw him in the tank, only thing close is his behavior of searching his feeding container after he finishes a meal, i assume looking for food. I don't plan on feeding him until the 12th-14th (regurg was 2nd). He also decided to lay around the small lip of the aquarium for the second time since i got him. I have seen him drink three times since the regurg, and i found urates in his tank this morning.

Also anyone have any thoughts on the use of Grapefruit Seed Extract? i saw it briefly mentioned in the Corn Snake Manual
as a possible home remedy to help with bacteria in the stomach for use with regurg.

Thanks for the reply

Wayne

Raise your temps a little bit get it around 85-86 the ambient temp in the cage you said is 65 that is way too low. you want the ambient about 76 and the hot about 85. that could be the problem try that and see how it goes. i too use human heating pads set on medium cause that makes the temps great a little high but thats the way my corns like it.

ken
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0.1 Albino Cal. King (Fokker)
1.0 Reverse Okeetee Corn (trouble)
0.1 Creamsicle Corn (Spot)
1.1 Bearded Dragons (Bob & Margret)
1.3 Dogs(George, Sandy, Cookie and Ladybird) they are rescues, Lhasa Apso, Mutt, Boxer, and Daschund mix
0.0.22 Bearded Dragon Eggs...more to come
1.0 Betta
0.1 Wife
0.1 Kid