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I just recently acquired a trio of emory's ratsnakes. One is a male that is hypomelanistic het for amel and anery, one is a female that is anery het for hypo and amel, and one is a normal female het for all three. The question I have is... has anyone bred a snow emory's yet? What about a ghost emory's? I was just curious because I haven't seen any kind of info about these mutations... If anyone knows anything, please let me know.

Oh, and stay tuned for updates. I plan on breeding them next year and seeing what turns out... should be some nice looking emory's in the mix....

Dave

or heard of a snow yet?You would have to have one to produce the animals you say you have?If theres corn in them then thats another story.
I know there have been hypos and amels out there for some time but I have never seen a true anery emory's

shannon

>>I just recently acquired a trio of emory's ratsnakes. One is a male that is hypomelanistic het for amel and anery, one is a female that is anery het for hypo and amel, and one is a normal female het for all three. The question I have is... has anyone bred a snow emory's yet? What about a ghost emory's? I was just curious because I haven't seen any kind of info about these mutations... If anyone knows anything, please let me know.
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>>Oh, and stay tuned for updates. I plan on breeding them next year and seeing what turns out... should be some nice looking emory's in the mix....
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>>Dave

I have never heard of anyone having pure emoryi hypos.
That most definitely doesn't mean they aren't out there, I have just never heard about them.
So, I ask the same question. Are they pure emoryi or emoryi/guttata.
I would also like to know where you got them.
If they are pure I would be most interested in getting a pair myself.
I have several hypo emoryi/guttatas and would love to have a couple pure hypo emoryis to work with and amel emoryis also.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

>>>>I just recently acquired a trio of emory's ratsnakes. One is a male that is hypomelanistic het for amel and anery, one is a female that is anery het for hypo and amel, and one is a normal female het for all three. The question I have is... has anyone bred a snow emory's yet? What about a ghost emory's? I was just curious because I haven't seen any kind of info about these mutations... If anyone knows anything, please let me know.
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>>>>Oh, and stay tuned for updates. I plan on breeding them next year and seeing what turns out... should be some nice looking emory's in the mix....
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>>>>Dave
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>>I have never heard of anyone having pure emoryi hypos.
>>That most definitely doesn't mean they aren't out there, I have just never heard about them.
>>So, I ask the same question. Are they pure emoryi or emoryi/guttata.
>>I would also like to know where you got them.
>>If they are pure I would be most interested in getting a pair myself.
>>I have several hypo emoryi/guttatas and would love to have a couple pure hypo emoryis to work with and amel emoryis also.
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I just did a little searching and saw where Don had a photo of a Hypo emoryi.
I read that he sold off his emoryis so hopefully you will be able to provide a name or source to get these..
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

The three emorys I got were all three produced by Bayou Reptiles. I asked if these were pure blooded emory's rats upfront, and they assured me they were and that there were no corn blood lines in them.

One thing I had wrong, the snakes are not het for snow, but het for ghost. The tape on one container lid said het for ghost, but it was for a different snake. One animal is a male subadult that is a hypo emory, one is a female subadult that is anery emory, and one is a female subadult that is normal. All three "possible" het for ghost.

My plan is to breed the hypo male to the anery female and then do F2 breeding to see if I can pop out any ghosts... My guess is that they will look somewhat similar to the ghost corns that are on the market, but you can never tell. I look forward to seeing how it will turn out, in any case.

Dave

>>The three emorys I got were all three produced by Bayou Reptiles. I asked if these were pure blooded emory's rats upfront, and they assured me they were and that there were no corn blood lines in them.
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>>One thing I had wrong, the snakes are not het for snow, but het for ghost. The tape on one container lid said het for ghost, but it was for a different snake. One animal is a male subadult that is a hypo emory, one is a female subadult that is anery emory, and one is a female subadult that is normal. All three "possible" het for ghost.
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>>My plan is to breed the hypo male to the anery female and then do F2 breeding to see if I can pop out any ghosts... My guess is that they will look somewhat similar to the ghost corns that are on the market, but you can never tell. I look forward to seeing how it will turn out, in any case.
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>>Dave

Sounds great Dave.
It would realy be interesting to see if it would produce a "ghost" emoryi and how they would look.
I have a motley corn from Bayou.
I would have no reason what-so-ever to doubt anything they say.
Can you post pics of the ones you have?
thanks for the update!!!
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

I'll try to post pics asap. Unfortunately, I don't have a digi camera. My girl friend does, but the problem there is getting her up here to college where I'm at so i can snap some pics of them. As soon as I can, I'll get pics posted, though.

I've talked to Don S. from SMR about this project, and he seems intrigued too, despite having recenlty removed himself from the emoryi breeding business. I don't know if he ever tried to produce a ghost or not, but he produced about the closes thing to a "snow" emoryi's that I've been able to find. I'd call it more of a sunflower emoryi, or something cause it's definitely more yellow than white. A most impressive animal, none the less, though.

I am really excited to see how this project turns out. If the ghost emoryis do come out and they look totall new, I think I'll name them "The Dave".... lol... just kidding.

Dave.

Dave,
Thanks for clearing things up.Don't take this wrong I am not slamming you but Its funny how it went from "one is hypo het anery and albino"and one is"anery het hypo and amel" to:

One thing I had wrong, the snakes are not het for snow, but het for ghost. The tape on one container lid said het for ghost, but it was for a different snake. One animal is a male subadult that is a hypo emory, one is a female subadult that is anery emory, and one is a female subadult that is normal. All three "possible" het for ghost.

So they are just possible hets??????I knew something was up cause to have a visual morph that is het for two others it not that easy?

Anyways,I have seen true hypos and amels but I have never seen a anerythristic emory?

I know that k.j has alot of emory morphs but I never remember seeing any anerys?

Anyways,Good luck and hope it all works out for you.

shannon

Well, I e-mailed Bayou reptiles to find out if they have any emoryis left for sale and found out that the snakes inquestion were actually emoryi/guttata.
Sorry Dave, I am afraid you must have misunderstood when they told you thier blood lines.
And Shannon, you should know the snakes Dave got.
They were bred by you.
Bayou got them from Walter Smith
This is the e-mail I received from Bayou Reptiles.

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"These were Emoryi Corns.We got these snakes when we acquired Walter Smith's collection.They were bred by Shannon Brown.
We do not breed Pure Emory's at all.Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks ROB"
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Dave sorry you were confused
Shannon, ease up, I don't think it was anything intentional.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Its all good I wasn't upset.Its really hard to feel what somebody is trying to say just by reading there post.
That always happens to me and thats why I said that I was in no way slamming him or anything I just know there isn't any anery emory's out there and the story changed a couple times ?
I didn't know who had got them from walter but yes I sold walter a couple of them.

Heres part of his post though:
"The three emorys I got were all three produced by Bayou Reptiles. I asked if these were pure blooded emory's rats upfront, and they assured me they were and that there were no corn blood lines in them."

I don't think Rob would be to pleased to see this?

Anyways,I am sure he will throw some neat things when they are bred together.

shannon

I actually did the same thing this morning. Turns out that the Raleigh show was the first one the sales person who sold me the animals had worked. She got the bloodlines mixed up and gave me some wrong info on accident. Apparently when I asked if the snakes were pure emory's the salesperson thought I meant was anything other than emory and corn used in producing them.

I just got the reply from bayou reptiles a few minutes ago. The misinformation was definitely not intentional, but it is still a bit disappointing. I thought I was about to break out a new emory morph.... but oh well. They're still very nice looking animals and I'm thinking of keeping them. The excitement about the breeding possibilities is, sadly enough, gone though.

As far as there not being any "anery" emory's corns, I'm not so sure about that. Don S. of SMR used to have a line of chocolate emory's that looked like a form the anery trait. Not sure if that's what they were or not, but sure looked that way.

I just wanted to appologize for the misinformation... I thought I had all the facts clear, but I was wrong. Oh well. Live and learn...

Dave