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dmlove Sep 05, 2004 11:00 AM

We have 2 red tails (Columbian) one about 3 1/2 feet and the other about 2-3 feet. They will only take live mice. Anyone have any suggestions on transfering them onto frozen/thawed or fresh killed? Ive heard its better, but does it really matter?

Also, both ate 3 small-medium sized mice yesterday, is that alright? Her grith is pretty damn fat, but her head isnt too big, so i was worried to go to a larger prey item (i know i know they can widen their mouth and all, just dont want anything bad to happen).

Handling- We handle them everyday, except when they are shedding and right after they ate. The big female is much better than the smaller (we think male). The male seems to always want to slither away , while the bigger one kinda likes to just lay back. Are we doing it right? Sometimes we let the snakes come up and chill while we watch tv, they love it.

Thanks all!
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Zoo_Dad Sep 05, 2004 12:07 PM

They will only take live mice. Anyone have any suggestions on transfering them onto frozen/thawed or fresh killed? Ive heard its better, but does it really matter?

I have converted both of my Colombians, one male and one female, to F/T in the first feeding attempt with no hesitation. Generally, if the F/T being offered is warmer than room temperature, it will more closely match the body temperature of a live offering. It's my contention that live prey is a HUGE mistake and I'll elaborate a bit to explain. Both of my particular animals came from respectable breeders who fed live in the very beginning, which is common, due to a breeders' inability to foresee what a buyer may choose to feed later, and to stimulate the initial feeding response in the animal. Best advice: Start with rats and stay with rats! ALWAYS feed frozen and thawed and NEVER feed live prey with one possible exception...small harmless pinks in beginning stages of feeding. Small rat pinks are much preferred to mice with respect to nutritional benefits as well as innumerable other reasons...(i.e.-less odor if raising your own feeding prey, no need to make a switch to rats in very short time, etc. etc.) Also, both ate 3 small-medium sized mice yesterday, is that alright? Much better to offer one prey item of the proper girth-(equal to girth of snake at widest point of body), than to stress the animal with multiple prey items to be swallowed. Take your rat pinks, fuzzies, hoppers, etc. and thaw in bowl of hot tap water. Allow 15 or 20 minutes for smaller prey and increasingly more time for larger prey items to thaw and become warm throughout. Refresh the warm water as needed and especially right before you plan to remove a prey item for feeding. Pat the very warm rat pink, fuzzy, hopper, etc. with a paper towel and handle ONLY with tongs or hemostats to avoid human oils and scents to contaminate the prey item. Dangle the prey item in front of your snake(s) and I can assure you that unless they are under a great deal of stress or unhealthy, they will strike and coil the F/T with the same intensity they would a live prey item. You asked if it really matters...YES! is the short answer. If you wish to protect your snake from serious bites and potential death from infection, scarring, etc., it's imperative to feed Frozen/Thawed as opposed to live...ALWAYS! HTH!
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sslonestar Sep 05, 2004 12:54 PM

Transitions to rats and then to f/t rats can be effective with fresh stunned/killed small rats 400 grams and up.
Giving the ole THUMP to the head will allow for twitching and kicking which will most often draw a strike and give the snake full advantage in the deal.Acouple of feeds like this and the taste is established pretty much then F/T comes easy by dancing the prey with tongs in front of the snake also refered to as "animated/ing". The feeling you get is pretty intense when your on the other end of those tongs LOL!! As was mentioned ..... ALWAYS STAY WITH RAT PREY ONCE STARTED !!When they get to jumbos starting concidering rabbits in the near future,but thats for the 7-9'and up snakes.

Be Careful not to leave a heating pad nearby LOL!!

Good Luck !

T/

>>We have 2 red tails (Columbian) one about 3 1/2 feet and the other about 2-3 feet. They will only take live mice. Anyone have any suggestions on transfering them onto frozen/thawed or fresh killed? Ive heard its better, but does it really matter?
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>>Also, both ate 3 small-medium sized mice yesterday, is that alright? Her grith is pretty damn fat, but her head isnt too big, so i was worried to go to a larger prey item (i know i know they can widen their mouth and all, just dont want anything bad to happen).
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>>Handling- We handle them everyday, except when they are shedding and right after they ate. The big female is much better than the smaller (we think male). The male seems to always want to slither away , while the bigger one kinda likes to just lay back. Are we doing it right? Sometimes we let the snakes come up and chill while we watch tv, they love it.
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>>Thanks all!
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dmlove Sep 05, 2004 01:09 PM

exactly what i was looking for, thanks! sorry for misspells or no caps, the snake is on the other hand lol. will do as you both said! is my handling right?
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sslonestar Sep 05, 2004 04:46 PM

Best I can tell your ok in your handling ?
Once they go into blue you`ll see their belly get kinda milky,then a day or two their eyes will cloud over.Most snakes are pretty cranky at this stage,after their eyes clear they`ll calm abit(mine do anyway)then about 3-4 days they`ll shed out.
Always wait a day or so before handling them "after"they shed.Their skin is pretty sensitive(kinda like a sunburn)
Then comes feed time again and their down for two more days and then handling can resume as needed.You can take them outside if its warm and sunny and they can go just about anywhere you wanna take`em.
That flighty one just needs to be held abit more often to have him chill a little better .....(maybe?)LOL!
Some snakes dont like the human comforts like steady cool air coming from a/c vents and fans and bright lights.I handle mine under low light levels and they are much more at ease then having a bunch of lights on.You`ll learn what they like as the months and years go by.
Each snake is different and different in many ways.

You will never tame a snake
The Snake Will Train You to suit Its needs !!

T/

>>exactly what i was looking for, thanks! sorry for misspells or no caps, the snake is on the other hand lol. will do as you both said! is my handling right?
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dmlove Sep 05, 2004 10:00 PM

Thanks so much man. I took her out today outside for a few hours, sitting outside and in my house. I set her on a large plant (like a lar4ge ficus tree type thing) and she just went riught for it and hung on, loved it. I was just sittin on the computer for quite some time letting her hang out there. Thanks again so much!

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