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Scared to death!

Joeycoco98 Sep 06, 2004 01:01 AM

Ok guys, I have had Boas, Pythons and Kings with at few other snakes inbetween. I was wondering what I needed to do to get a permit to own an Indigo in Texas, I have sent an email to the Texas parks and wildlife Office.

I have always wanted an Indigo since I was a kid, I am 35 now. After reading some of the post I think I am changing my mind. Seems like biting is a problem with Indigos. I always read that they were very docile, is this really not the case? I have only been bitten once (feeding response)by my 5 ft burm on the thigh! It did not hurt and there was very little blood loss. Please give me some information on the Indigo's disposition. Again, I have always wanted one so I would hate to give up on that dream.

Thanks,
Miller
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Miller
0.1 Florida King
1.0 Chow Chow
0.2 Cats
1.1 Eastern Kings

Replies (13)

ZPD Sep 06, 2004 01:37 AM

That should not be a concern. I feel I am responsible for your concern. The main reason I got bit by mine was beacuse I was being stupid. These Indigos are very reasonable snakes in my opinion. Some of the other subspecies might be a different story but not the easterns. After reviewing the incident where I was bit and the encounter where my Indigo came flying out at my face I see it totally different. I misinterpreted what happened big time, they communicate and give you plenty of behaviors to cue you in. Theres a few things you need to understand about them and then it's just a matter of using that knowledge. Don't let my stupid posts sway you from your dream at all. And even if they do tag you they are well worth it.

conradCA Sep 06, 2004 02:55 AM

My Cribo is only viciouse because he was mishandled by his owners. I have changed the way I handle him and I have noticed a big improvement in his behavior.

Conrad
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Peace through Strength
War through Weakness
Defeat through Kerry (like Johnson)

nevermore Sep 06, 2004 03:05 AM

Everything I researched before I recieved my hatchling and since then has indicated that they (easterns) are a docile species. And I have read a LOT of archived posts and caresheets and the only bites from an eastern I've read about had to do with feeding responses and I recall another one where someone was giving their indigo an injection of medicine.

From what I've seen in my brief time with my little girl strengthens those conclusions. A couple feedings ago, she started not only taking on the Indigo aptitie but the feeding reaction and that turns her into a totally different snake. Otherwise, bitting doesn't seem to be in her defensive vocabulary (and she is still small enough and still think I want to eat her, so she has shown plenty of defensive behavior).

Even reading the earliest published description of the Indigo, from 1842, (you can read it at http://indigosnakes.com/Holbrook Indigo Article.htm) says, "Although a harmless snake, it is a bold one, and when provoked, it faces its enemy with courage, vibrating its tail rapidly. It is, however, so mild in character that it may be domesticated; and an instance is mentioned of the negro children of a neighbouring plantation being in the habit of holding on to the tail of one whilst it wandered about the yard."

And finally, there are a lot of folk that use Indigos as their show stopping serpents for educational programs, programs where these snakes come into contact with poking and prodding children. It's a lawsuit happy time we live in and it's very easy for snakes to get bad press. I think the fact that a lot of these keepers trusts a six, seven, eaight foot serptent (with one of the, pound for pound, more powerful bites of the snake world) with strange children says soemthing about their nature.

-Josh

PS - I couldn't say as much for the other sub species (but I'm sure there's plenty of people here who can). From the little i know about Texas Indigos, they not only share a similar appearance to the easterns, but a similar disposition as well.

David W. Sep 06, 2004 09:53 AM

I have eight Easterns & have been bitten twice, both times I fed the snakes & then after they had swallowed I stuck my had in for the water bowl or something, they let go as soon as they found out I didn't taste that good, I've had worse bites ( a king wouldn't let go). I have had to help these snakes shed, medicate wounds etc, and never been bit. My Blacktailes & Uni's are the same way. ( a couple of my newly hatched Blacktales did try to bite, a common baby snake response). All the Yellowtails I have had bit.

thesnakeman Sep 06, 2004 11:02 AM

Don't get yer panties in a wad about getting bitten by an eastern indigo. If you do things right,...it ain't very likely. Of all the people who have ever handled one over the years, only a small percentage get bitten. the thing to remember, is that ALL snakes CAN and sometimes DO bite. Under the right circumstances, almost ANY snake can be persuaded to bite. I say "persuaded" because that is exactly what we do just prior to giving blood. HOWEVER,... of all the snakes one might encounter, the eastern indigo ranks way down near the bottom of the list of likely to bite. They are down there with the eastern hognose, it strikes with a closed mouth. Relax, and go to indigosnakes.com and find out about permits, breeders, care sheets, and more. Then get a pair, and enjoy a life changing experience! You will NOT regret it.
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

thesnakeman Sep 06, 2004 11:07 AM

Almost forgot. If you do get bitten DO NOT PULL AWAY!!! wait for the snake to let go. Unless you have a 9 ft. retic trying to swallow your hand like I did at about age 8. That was a long time ago but I am sure it still works the same way. We had to pry his mouth off my hand with a butter knife. Later,
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

Passport Sep 06, 2004 11:46 AM

Oh, my gosh.....sounds like a horror movie. 8 year old boy with a 9ft Retic hanging on to his hand? I hope I don't have nightmares about this. A butterknife? Is that something I should keep in my snake house? I'm being a little facetious here while trying to imagine the described scene. Do you chuckle about it now? You must truly love snakes if you are still keeping and enjoying them after an experience like that.

Joeycoco98 Sep 06, 2004 05:06 PM

Thanks for all the replies! I will check into gettng my First Eastern Indigo. I will keep you guys updated on my future Indigo adventures. Thanks again!

Miller
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Miller
0.1 Florida King
1.0 Chow Chow
0.2 Cats
1.1 Eastern Kings

thesnakeman Sep 07, 2004 11:25 AM

Good for you buddy!
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

AZRaptor Sep 14, 2004 02:43 PM

I'm with you Miller. I was starting to have second thoughts with all the discussions of bites and crypto, and while the crypto concerns bothered me more than the possibility of a bite, I'd just assume avoid both situations. Come the next round of available Easterns, I'm planning to get one. I know it will be a big difference from my BP, but I'm sure with lots of reading and the support available here, we'll both have tons of resources at hand to be successful with them.

Now it's just a matter of reading more and narrowing down choices on the large group of breeders on indigosnakes.com's listing.

nevermore Sep 15, 2004 03:13 AM

Yeah, one thing that an indigo is not is an impulse buy. The things you need to go through to get them ensure that. But that's a positive. Last Spring I decided I wanted one. I hung around this forum, read care sheets, and got on a wating list. Now i have a healthy neonate. And though getting her to eat took patience, it wasn't that bad of an ordeal. Keeping her healthy has not been that challenging in comparison to anything else I've ever kept (just some specific things you need to know in their care).

But yeah, the enthusiasm that caries a would be owner through the hoops of getting an indigo, pretty much ensures that you'll do the needed reading.
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One female Eastern Indigo. That's right, just one snake. But she's my dream-snake, so back off man.

thesnakeman Sep 07, 2004 11:24 AM

Like I said,..."no worries". And yes we chuckle every time we talk about it. What's even funnier, is the fact that when my freinds mom came at me with that butter knife, I tried to run away with that retic still hanging on! I was afraid she might hurt the snake! So yes,..yes I do love snakes!
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

Joeycoco98 Sep 07, 2004 09:23 PM

I could so see myself running from a butter knife to save my snakes as well! lol

Miller
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Miller
0.1 Florida King
1.0 Chow Chow
0.2 Cats
1.1 Eastern Kings

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