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Can someone identify these for me?

midmichiganherp Sep 06, 2004 11:26 PM

I was given this pair today, and would like to know exactly what I have....

Replies (6)

midmichiganherp Sep 06, 2004 11:26 PM

the other...

nz Sep 07, 2004 12:15 AM

Beautiful animals. They look like melanistic Cape/Baja Gophers, but probably another sub-species. Maybe someone more experienced with the rare pits can help you.

MissHisssss Sep 07, 2004 01:34 AM

RJ Reptiles Sep 07, 2004 02:28 AM

Look like bimaris. John Meltzer

bernd-d Sep 07, 2004 03:49 AM

I agree to John Melzer,

this is a typical coloration of the bimaris!!

But aberant coloration of vertebralis... - so much is possible in the nature, why not this. With the amount of body blotches you can't divert those subspecies, they are similar. The other markings don't differ, too.

For Grismer all the bimaris are only a "colorform of the subspecies vertebralis" and for him they lost their subspecies status. But the sientific molecular biological works of Mr. Escobar a.o. for the Genus Pituophis don't agree with Mr. Grismer...

This litte excurse only should sign that there are only a few little diferences between vertebralis and bimaris...

Bernd
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birddog5151 Sep 08, 2004 11:12 AM

would give them away. Some people have all the luck.

Mike B

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