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hello i recently set my sav up in his new enclouser (4ftx3ft wooden cage. and ever since being put n there he is very agressive he never used to be this aggresive,i mean i got the occasinal huffing and puffing before,but since moved to thi new cage, he will actualy open his mouth and chase my hand around trying to bite, maybe hes jst nervus with the new setting??
is this odd for a sav to ave such abig change in attitude just because a cage change??

lol, yeah pretty normal i think....mine have done the same....my adult is cool in the house but when i put him on the back porch all hell breaks loose, tail whipping and huffing, second he is inside he chills. Yours just feels at home. His Home.

josh

1.0 sav
1.0 bosc
1.2 timors

i have had the same problem in the past but when the monitor finaly feels that the cage is his he should calm down. but don't let him run you out of the cage now you don't want him to think he can intimidate you that way.

The mentality of this. Did you or did you not build the cage for the monitor?

I am happy as a peach when my monitors feel the need to run me out of their cage, it is afterall their space.

Whey some people keep monitors is beyond me.

andrew

well andrew with that mentality you would never hold your monitors. becouse everytime you go for them in there cage they will protest, and what i was saying is that even though your monitor protests you can't let that stop you from carring for it, for example you go in to change the water and he tryes to run you out do you still change the water? the answer is yes you do and as a result you didn't let him run you out. of course he should have some alone time thats why you provide a hide and when he is in there then maybe you decide that is a place you wont go and he can go there to get away.

i don't know why people with less common sence than a 3 year old are alowed to be pet owners and post on this forum it just doesn't make sence!!!

You are a strange person. Who said anything about changing water or providing husbandry? I just said it is their space. You say it isn't, that it is yours like you are their master or something. People with your mentality generally keep monitors because they are out to control something.

pretty wierd.

andrew

show me in my original post were i said it is my space the truth is its his cage! i said don't let him chase you out of his cage, becouse if the monitor figures out each time he huffs and puffs that you go running than that is all he will ever do. and of course i am the master of my monitor he is my pet you tree hugging hippy freak with out me he would die (much like a pearent cares for there child), i would not die with out him there for he needs me and he is mine. as far as you sating that i got my monitor to controll something well that is just stupid i got my monitor becouse i love them and respect them. i take great pride in my husbandry practices and will not defend them against a person with as little common sence as you. i supose you feel taming a monitor is rong? you must becouse being there cage and a little controll is nessisary to tame, like i said if every time he huffed and puffed you left then you would have one mean monitor, im not saying put him in a strangle hold just stay there and let him know that your ok and will not hurt him.

ok Kap10kavy has earned my respect do you cap think i should let my monitor run me out of the cage? or should i stick around and try to get the monitor to calm down. (fluffy is a diffrent story he was an abused animal that has some grudges against humans to work through id give him some space to).

p.s. go be peachy in your own time andrew you make me sick!

Well then like Scott said, maybe we just shouldn't let monitors be monitors then? Oh yes that is the thing to do.

And no I am not above holding my monitors when necessary but you know that is what gloves are for moron.

but you know, all the best.

andrew

don't be such a pussy, the gloves don't benifit the monitor one bit. you must be the dumbest person i have ever had the plesure of arguing with. oh and cap was making a joke when he said "don't you hate it when monitors act like monitors" your an idiot dude get some help!!!
p.s. i may not like you but your argus monitor sure looks cool.

Well I can tell you I have just gotten tired of having my monitors rip holes in my arm. You know, my monitors are actually healthy enough to do so if they want.

About Scott, the joke was on you not me pal.

Finally, thanks about the argus, it is one of many healthy monitors in my collection. They all think they own their space and all act like monitors.

andrew

A monitor's enclosure should be his home, to defend if he sees fit. I don't get gloves, I use them when I hand feed larger monitors, because I've taken one too many bites to trust them too much, but for handling, they just get in the way. I wouldn't really consider argus or sav claws all that bad anyway, they are child's play compared to some other monitors. If you are getting injured alot from handling, you are probably handling them too much.

What I really don't understand is what the heck people do to monitors to make them so defensive. My monitors are actually very tolerant of me, as long as I respect their boundaries, they have no problem with me changing water or doing cage maintenance, if they do, they go into a burrow or log until I leave. Sure argus will hiss, puff and posture at times, peachies too, but as long as you don't go poking them or picking them up, they go back to their business. The only very large exception is feeding responses, which all the tameness in the world won't change (tamer ones can actually be worse), it seems to be much more hunger related (and to a certain extent species related). I do have certain enclosures that precautions must be taken, because the monitors have proven to be very willing to believe, that just maybe this time, fingers are food.

And sure the monitor would die if we didn't care for it, but we made that decision, not the monitor, I don't see how that justifies demeaning it's life even more. Perhaps some people just need to be nicer to their monitors.

--Robert

There are always exceptions to the rules.
Fluffy, my albig is a rescue, he/she was neglected and abused when I recieved the animal. I wouldn't think of opening the cage dor without gloves. Fluffy has charged and climbed up my arm trying to get past, hissing and tail whipping as it went.
Fluffy used to hide when I opened the door, but now that it is around 3 feet and feeling braver, it has no fear.
I see this as it just being a monitor and doing what it thinks it needs to to defend itself and it's territory.
My savs are a different story, I open the door and they come to see who it is and if we brought food. They have no problem being picked up. I have never used gloves with them.
I only handle Fluffy when nessassary, escpaes and vet visits.

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

those are the exceptions, just like alot of w.c.'s can be totally wacked, but who can blame them. I get the feeling some people really want them to be mean.

Thanks cav

--Robert

"I get the feeling some people really want them to be mean. "

That reminded my of some young guys I saw at a show once.
"I want a nile or a croc, those are the babddest of all lizards"

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Robert, I have never said that my monitors were mean if that is what you meant by "partially."

What I don't understand is that people think it is normal when monitors are not hyper or tripod or have strong feeding responses, they often associate this with bad husbandry when in reality it is the opposite.

My monitors will sometimes (specifically Argus)huff and puff when I go to change waters, etc but none of them bite (excluding gravid ackies).

You are correct though that it would be odd for someone to have a collection of very defensive monitors, it would make me suspect anyhow.

cheers, andrew

I meant the gloves by "partially".

The remaining stuff was for the people that think taming, controlling, manhandling is necessary for a monitor to be nice.

--Robert

What gets me is when people freak out because their monitor acts like a monitor.
Fluffy, my blackthroat has decided to charge when the door is opened. I can tell you it can be downright nerve racking at times. Try changing the water with a 3 foot blackthroat charging in your direction. I feed it, take out the water, clean it and fill it rather quickly. lol
Don't you hate it when a monitor acts like a monitor?

Scott
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Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.