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Because I just e-mailed them an inquiry. I've had a N.J exotics permit for at least 20 years. After seeing ttreptiles1 post of his new black phase hatchling,well you know. WOW!. I had one when I was a kid from a local pet store before all the restrictions. I checked one of the Indigo sites and apparently there are no breeders in my state ( a fairly restrictive one)Heres hoping.

Thanks for any help. Thought it might be nice to be an Indigo clan member again. Bob.

I believe you need a state permit that is all but impossible to get in NJ.

Good luck.

I checked into that in '03 when I was on Dean's list for couperi. I called F& W and had to speak to someone named Linda. I made the argument that couperi are not indigenous to our lovely state, so they should not require anything besides a hobbyist permit.

Upon talking to their "biologists" it was decided that keeping couperi in NJ would neccesitate an endangered spp permit which was $38 a year and included mandatory visits by the state to check on the animal's quarters.
Now this permit is not difficult to get! They were very helpful. However, Dean had a bad year last year, and I perosnally did not want strangers in my house telling me that I keep my snakes properly. Shoot, I already know that! I did get the paperwork, and it wasn't that bad!

However, you do need to keep them for reasons other than pets (research, education). This wasn't a prob for me as I'm a teacher.

Damn, with all this legit info, I should be an officer in the NJHS!
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Thanks AC, but I'm just a hobbyist. I don't know how I could justify a permit for research/education. Still waiting for the official reply. I appreciate the input.

Bob.

As a side note,if I get bad news from the state regarding Easterns, I vaugely remember one of the clan mentioning that there is a "Dry" that is largely black and has an attitude similar to an Eastern? Not at all to disrespect other "Dry" choices but for me personaly, the beautiful blue/black coloration is a part of the overall appeal of the animal and would help provide the motivation for maintaining a higher maintenance animal.

I appreciate you guys and your great forum.Thanks for any info. (also possibly where I might find one?)

Bob.

>>As a side note,if I get bad news from the state regarding Easterns, I vaugely remember one of the clan mentioning that there is a "Dry" that is largely black and has an attitude similar to an Eastern? Not at all to disrespect other "Dry" choices but for me personaly, the beautiful blue/black coloration is a part of the overall appeal of the animal and would help provide the motivation for maintaining a higher maintenance animal.
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>> I appreciate you guys and your great forum.Thanks for any info. (also possibly where I might find one?)
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>> Bob.

Yes, there is another big, black subspecies. The Mexican Redtail Cribo Drymarchon melanurus (sp. nov.)rubidus. It isn't quite as "high-gloss" blue/black as an Eastern Indigo, but mine have similar dispositions. It is as close as you can get to an Eastern Indigo without getting an Eastern. The problem with rubidus is that they are so rare in U.S. collections. They are much harder to find than any of the other available Drymarchon. I think that Epidemic (Jeff) and I hold the bulk of the rubidus currently in the United States in our collections. Since Mexico cut off essentially all wildlife exports several years ago, it's likely that what's here now is what we're gonna have to work with unless current efforts to obtain collecting/export permits from the Mexican Government are successful (long shot).

There is another subspecies, D.c.orizabensis (no common name), that I believe is a generally solid black animal. I've never heard of one in a U.S. collection and have never seen one in person or even a photo. I've only found some vague descriptions in literature.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Thanks very much for the information.

Bob.

What is the native range of this sub?
T.
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"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

>>What is the native range of this sub?
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>>"No tree would have branches foolish enough to argue amongst themseleves".

S.W. Mexico.
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We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children. Ralph Waldo Emerson