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i work at a petsmart, im the "reptile guy" as they like to call me. i have alot of reptiles, and i pretty much know the basics for any and almost all of them. any way.... i had a customer come in tonight, with this little guy right here. i knew i was a corn snake right away. the thing is, what kind? doesn any one know what kind it is? he sais he found it, but i dont think its wild. it seems to healthy to be, and i really dont think these colors are local. so does any one have any idea??
thank you
nevin

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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

looks more like a milk snake to me. Where was it found?

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
16 eggs incubating
7 balls
2.2 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, normal)
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2 fish
1 rat
1 mouse
5 cats

its deff a corn snake. i kno that for a fact. 1, it has the corn markings, 2 its got that mark on its head, 3 the belly is checkerd, and last the marks on the face. i looked in the "corn snake manual", to see if i could find out what kind of corn, and it said it was from south east florida. i asked you guys just to make sure. i live in bethlehem PA., which is bout 20 mins from the Pa/NJ border. the customer said it was on a river bank right by the border.
thanx
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Check the anal plate. If its single its an Eastern Milk. They look very similiar. 1.Milks have a y or v on their head and 2. they also have a checkered belly. There is a milk snake phase corn, but I dont think thats it. Maybe some others will have some input on this.

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
16 eggs incubating
7 balls
2.2 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, normal)
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2 fish
1 rat
1 mouse
5 cats

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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

They have a similar head arrow as corns.

Trust me on this, I have caught HUNDREDS of them in Ohio and KY.

I'd bet the farm on it. That's an eastern milk snake. It will get darker as it matures, and the blotches will turn brownish.

That's a very typical looking young eastern milk.

From the first pic, I'd say it's a jungle corn (not pure corn). But the second one makes me wonder. If it's a pure corn, it looks closest to a Crimson.

i appriceat the imput, and im still looking for more. i mean, i kno you guys are the experts compaired to me, but i do know 100% for a fact it is a corn snake. i was looking at more photos on line, and ive come to the conclusion that its a "miami" phase, atleast according to this web page. http://www.reptileallsorts.com/cornphase/index.html
its discription is prety good, compaired to the snake.
thanx again
nevin
ps. any one else want to try?
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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

its a crazy little baby, so it likes to strike alot. when it pulls back in striking posision, its in a perfict S shape with its head, neck, and an inche or 2 elevated off the ground. and the other thing is, its tail goes crazy like a rattlesnakes im still sure its a corn, just not as sure as i was 10 mins ago. does this sound like corn behavior?
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Well that sounds like typical behaviour for most snakes when nervous - you've described a textbook defensive position.

Honestly Nevin, this genuinely isn't a Corn Snake - we're not trying to be arsey or rain on your parade, it just isn't. You won't find any with that amount of pure black, and the body markings really are all wrong. The head and belly markings do sound like a Corn I know, but they are common to quite a number of snakes if you're just going by a description from a book.

Could you point us to the page in the Corn Snake Manual, or the web sites, where you think you've found pics of your guy posted as a Corn? We might be able to iron out the misunderstanding.

Whatever it is, it's certainly a good-looking little beast. My money's on some kind of King or Milk, but I'm definitely no expert on those so that's as far as I'll go! I do know Corns though, and that it ain't.

I am not an expert identifying snakes, but I think I know what picture he's referring to in the Corn Snake manual. It does look alot like a Miami Phase corn snake...but looking at pictures in other sources of the Eastern Milk, it does look alot like one of those too, especially with the head markings. Same with the 'milksnake' phase cornsnake. (re. page 78 'Cornsnake Manual' by Bill and Kathy Love)

For some reason I can't see the first picture so can only go by the second picture posted. CLoser more clearer pictures of the top of the head may make it easer to see the pattern there.

>>i appriceat the imput, and im still looking for more. i mean, i kno you guys are the experts compaired to me, but i do know 100% for a fact it is a corn snake. i was looking at more photos on line, and ive come to the conclusion that its a "miami" phase, atleast according to this web page. http://www.reptileallsorts.com/cornphase/index.html
>>its discription is prety good, compaired to the snake.
>>thanx again
>>nevin
>>ps. any one else want to try?

You are 100% wrong.
That IS NOT a corn snake.
Sorry, but that is an eastern milk snake.
You came here to find out what it is, it has been identified as an eastern milk snake, why do you refuse to believe?
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

That is either a eastern or red milk. They really do look like corns, but they are heavier bodied, and like someone else stated, it should have a undivided anal plate. Kingsand milks have a single plate or scale. Corns and other rats have a divided plate. Also little milks are notorious for crapping and musking when startled.

Luke

although perhaps it's a hybrid of some sorts. May I ask what you are going to do with it?

Traci

this is a link to a picture posted in the milk snake photo gallery under the user name of JoeBloe

Link

this one was posted by herpin1579, and it says it was found in PA
Link

Ok, here are some pics I found by just doing a google search on "eastern milk"

Your snake is and eastern milk.
Check these links to convince yourself.

http://www.esf.edu/pubprog/BROCHURE/SNAKES/snakes/emilk.jpg

http://www.neherp.com/img/jw/eastern_milk.jpg

http://chicagowildernessmag.org/issues/fall2002/images/a8290_15c.jpg

http://www.mcwetboy.com/articles/images/2snakes1.jpg

http://www.sad39.k12.me.us/bjshs/tlight/ecoweb/Ecology Websites/tonyeco/eastern_milksnake.jpg

thanks to every one. when kel posted the first pics and said it was a milk, thats when i started beleaving. that was early this morning, and i was goin to say it, but i was on my way out to work. thanks every one again. sorry if i made an ass of my self in the others posts. you can look at my list, and see i keep boas and pythons. but u do learn something new every day.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

You know it's just that snake people just get a little NUTTY when we see something being mis-identified.

We are weird that way.

Eastern Milks are cool snakes though.

That is an eastern milk snake. What part of the county are you in?

>>i work at a petsmart, im the "reptile guy" as they like to call me. i have alot of reptiles, and i pretty much know the basics for any and almost all of them. any way.... i had a customer come in tonight, with this little guy right here. i knew i was a corn snake right away. the thing is, what kind? doesn any one know what kind it is? he sais he found it, but i dont think its wild. it seems to healthy to be, and i really dont think these colors are local. so does any one have any idea??
>>thank you
>>nevin
>>
>>-----
>>.1. green tree python-bates
>>1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
>>2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
>>1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
>>.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
>>.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
>>.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
>>0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
>>0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
>>1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
>>2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
>>.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
>>.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
>>.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
>>.1. pacman frog- MR belly
>>.1. green iguana-bruce
>>2.0 brothers
>>0.2 sisters
>>3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
>>1 miniture mutt-brutis
>>
>>all ive got is insane
>>
>>"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"
>>
>>"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."
>>
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1.0 Corn snake "Warpath" (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake "Havok" (KY locale)
1.1 Black rat snakes "Punisher and Mystique" (MO locale)
1.0 Eastern Yellow Belly racer "Nightcrawler" (MO locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake "Malakai" (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake "Deadpool" (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Yellow rat snake "Rogue" (Dwight Good stock)
1.1 California king snake "Bandit and Moonstar" (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake "Bishop" (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake "Domino" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern Milk snake "Cable" (KY locale)
0.0.1 Eastern/Red milk intergrade "Omega Red" (KY locale)

Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian

i live in south eastern Pa. bethlehem to be exact. so yeah, it is native to here. i was shocked to see something like this, in my area. i mean, if i would go up to the mountains that are like 20 mins away, then i would expect it, but not soo close to my house.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1. green iguana-bruce
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."