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The only thing the "New" documents prove is that CBS will stop at nothing to promote lies and the liberal agenda. Most of the "signatures" on the "memos" that were "signed" by Lt. Colonel Jerry B. Killian are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. They don't even look remotely similar. Also the use of the superscript "th" makes it even MORE fake looking. Most typewriters couldn't do a superscript at all back then. The only TWO (yes only two different ones could have produced a superscript type back then) that might have been used to make the superscript are not believed to have written the memo. The IBM Selectric and Executive series are the only two who could have made superscript. The IBM selectric ran at around $3600 to $4400 1972 dollars (that is more expensive than many top of the line computers available TODAY). In 2004 dollars it would run at between $16,000 and $22,000. The Pay of an O-5 (Lt colonel in USAF, USMC, and Army. Lt. Commander in navy) is AT the LEAST (under 2 years service) slightly under $4000 per month and at the MOST (over 26 years of service) around $6500 hundred pet month. do you really think someone who made so little money (we are talking 2004 dollars) would have spent $16000 on a TYPEWRITER?????. When you take the writing from the Selectric typewriter and tint it red and put it over the writing from the CBS "memo" it doesn't even come CLOSE to matching up. Another thing to think about is the centered text at the top of some "memos". Do you have ANY idea on how hard, time taking, and complicated it is to center a text on a typewriter? it involves lots of very precise measurements and lots of time. Switching the FONT (yes a whole set of new keys) on a typewriter is easier than doing that. Two "memos" spaced three months apart were aligned so precise that you CAN'T tell the difference. With a typewriter that would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE. When you take the headings from the two different "memos", tint one black and the other red. Then type the EXACT same heading using the "center" option on MS word and make it black. When you align those three up (black-red-black) it aligns PERFECTLY. MS word will make it centered at the "twip" level, which is 1/1440 of an INCH.

For the full story click here. you will need to scroll down to where it says "The signatures" in big bold font to see the actual signatures the a little bit farther to where it says "The IBM selectric Composer" to get the info.
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I looked at those signatures. I am not an expert on handwriting, but I am an artist, so I can see patterns and consistencies in the lines or the lack there of.

While there are obvious differences,(some of the sigs look like they were rushed) what is important is how there is a consistency in the way individual letters are formed and the slant on the writing. The way the J's and K's are written are definitly consistent as are the smaller letters (obvious to me to be writen by the same hand). Even the one sig. that is only initials follows the same pattern of writing.

I look at my own signature and compare it to others I have writen days or even years ago. There are big differences and I could make an arguement that someone else had writen the older ones, but closer examonation would prove it to still be mine. The bottom line is few people I am familiar with sign identically every time. There are usually small variations. Try my test. Sign your name and then dig out something else you signed a few days ago and a few months. Note the differences that are there. Then sign your name fast an compare it to the rest....

I don't know if these documents are the real thing, but From what I can see, my opinion is the same man signed all of them.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

I really have to disagree with you there. While some signatures i think come from the same person, others are just totally different. The slant of some of the J's is very steep, while others aren't steep at all. Also the bottom loop of some J's is nonexistant and sometimes they are there. Even when I sign my name very fast or in a non rushed manner they still look much more similar than some of those. And as someone as old as that man was he must have been much more used to signing his name than what that shows. I am 13 years old and my signature is more consistant than his.
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I am 52. I can tell you on solid authority that the way I sign my name has changed dramaticly several times thru the years. Being older does not make your signature uniform by any means.

I also left something out. My father was a world master of Calligraphy (the art of ornate handwriting). As such he wrote three books on the subject. He was my teacher. So while I am not a "Legally qualified handwriting expert" I am enough of a student to recognize what I see.

So I stand by my position.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

that is seriously one of the most interesting things i have ever heard. what are they about? are they like the history of calligraphy and such? or is it like how to actually write in calligraphy?
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Yes they do. my father wrote three books that were published by Hunt/Speedball Corporation. Basicly they explain various forms of lettering. calligraphy is an art rather than jusrt writing script. it can be facinating to attempt and beautiful to see.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

But what do you think about the part of the typewriter?
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That raises big question marks.....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

The date on the documents is inconsistent. The signature would have to have occurred after the person already retired!

(We need to coin a couple new phrases)

Kerryisms---when dates aren't consistent with facts. Based on his journal stating no hostile fire for the first three weeks in the field, and his purple heart that occurred on day one. His being in Cambodia on Christmas when Nixon was lying to the American public, and it being "seared" into his brain.--except Nixon wasn't the pres. on that date. etc. etc.

Clarkisms---these are statements that people write in books at an earlier date, only to completely contradict for political reasons, at a later date.

Rodney

Still can't go with that one. Please explain to me how someone can get a Purple Heart without documenting the "combat" action? I really would like to know so I can get one to hang over my mantel.

That is totaly against Naval regs. Even if he got one from flipping a greande the wrong way he would have had to list some sort of combat to get one even if he faked it.

That he could log "No Action" on day one and then claim a purple heart is impossible.

Still does not wash....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

The person who reportadly "signed" those documents was indeed in the Air national guard at the time. His Colonel who CBS said ordered him to "write those documents" retired 18 months before the first document was made.
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