i don't know if west coast reptile shows will get any better than narbc one reason,hots are illegal here also it seems that the ball python,cornsnake,bearded dragon,etc.. demographic outweighs the high end demographic for the time being,the show was awesome but it was also repetitive on account of demand,i went their primarily for turtles,but also was on the lookout for nice red and black bloods,outstanding chondros,and arboreal monitors,and out of all those vendors i was hoping to pick up a pancake tortoise,although their weren't any turtles i wanted their they pleasantly suprised me with a larger selection,although i didn't leave with anything their were some outstanding animals that "wowed" me,i will definitely go back next year.