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Cincinnati Woman Killed by her Pet Viper

speakgeek Sep 14, 2004 08:27 AM

This has been all over the local news here in Cincy. Thought others might want to read it.

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Woman killed by her pet viper
Suburban neighbors unaware of what lived nearby

By Reid Forgrave
Enquirer staff writer

NORTH COLLEGE HILL - Neighbors knew a woman living nearby had iguanas because a month ago she mentioned she'd been losing sleep because two of her iguanas had been fighting.

And they knew she was an animal lover, as she would come into and out of her house with all sorts of new animals - rabbits, birds and cats.

But what residents didn't know - until their quiet, 44-year-old neighbor died Saturday at University Hospital after being bitten by one her venomous snakes earlier in the week - was that the modest, unassuming two-story house at 1830 Emerson Ave was home to at least nine poisonous snakes and more than a dozen other snakes, lizards and alligators.

Police believe an urutu pit viper bit the woman on Labor Day, Sept. 6, and neighbors said she drove herself to Mercy Fairfield Hospital. She was later transported to University Hospital, where she remained in critical condition until Saturday evening, when police received word that she died.

"We have no idea how she made it to the hospital in the first place," said North College Hill police Sgt. Robert Kidd.

The woman's name was not released Saturday because police had not yet been able to notify her family members.

Saturday morning, officials from University Hospital called North College Hill police to let them know more poisonous snakes might be inside the house in the suburban neighborhood of modest two-story homes.

Police broke down the woman's front door, and three herpetologists from Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Gardens entered the house.

"All I know is, those policemen were pretty scared," said Helen Amrein, who lives two doors down from the reptile house.

An ambulance waited outside the house in case a venomous snake attacked.

"We're going into an environment we're not familiar with, and we don't know where these animals are," said Winston Card, the zoo's conservation program manager for reptiles, amphibians, and aquatics, who entered the home with two reptile keepers. "It's just not safe. There are people who do this safely, but there are people who don't do it safely, and this is the consequence."

In the first place the reptile keepers checked an upstairs bedroom, they found more than a half-dozen large lizards running around. Among the animals roaming free around the house were two monitor lizards, two alligators, one rhinoceros iguana, two Solomon Islands tree skinks and one tegu lizard.

All the venomous snakes were in secure plastic cases throughout the house, police and zoo officials said. But the herpetologists found non-venomous animals under boxes and under piles of clothes.

"We just kept turning more things over the more we looked," Card said. "They're animals we deal with every day. But we'd never know what we were going to pick up when we turned something over."

The herpetologists spent hours Saturday afternoon carefully picking through the house, and they believe they retrieved all the reptiles from inside the home.

But there was no way to know for sure.

"There's no guarantee we got everything out of the house because there's no idea how man she kept in there," Card said. "We think we got all of them, but we don't know for sure."

Zoo officials said all the animals appeared to be healthy, although veterinarians will give the snakes and lizards physical examinations during the next several days.

Neighbors were bewildered Saturday evening after having learned that the woman who'd lived there for eight years had kept these animals.

"It's a little weird," said Tawnia Goodlander, who lives across the street from the reptile house, and whose daughter - and six-month-old granddaughter - live next door. "We knew she had iguanas, but we didn't know she had twenty-something snakes inside. You'd think maybe someone out on a farm would have something like this, but in a residential area with children around, you gotta wonder why she'd have these poisonous snakes."

Ohio law prohibits anyone from keeping animals that aren't indigenous to the state, and a North College Hill ordinance prohibits anyone from keeping dangerous animals.

There is no law prohibiting the sale of exotic animals across state lines, police said.

"They're not something people should be keeping as pets," Card said. "It's not responsible to keep these venomous pets in her house in a residential neighborhood. It put her life at risk, and it put our lives at risk, too."

Pet parade

Among the reptiles found inside a North College Hill home Saturday:

• One gaboon viper (venomous).

• Two monitor lizards.

• Two alligators.

• Two urutu pit vipers (venomous).

• One rhinoceros iguana.

• One shieldnose cobra (venomous).

• Two western hognose snakes.

• One rat snake.

• Two rhinoceros vipers (highly venomous).

• One timber rattlesnake (venomous).

• One albino western rattlesnake (venomous).

• Two Solomon Islands skinks.

• One monocled cobra (highly venomous).

• One tegu lizard.

Cincinnati Enquirer Story

Replies (11)

rearfang Sep 14, 2004 08:50 AM

Here is the best arguement for a system of licensing and inspection......Just plain DUMB.

Frank
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Levine Sep 14, 2004 12:04 PM

And because of that womans idiocy not only will all her animals most likely be killed but here is another snake horror story for legislators.

This is what happens when you start thinking you have control over an animal.
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tempest Sep 14, 2004 02:24 PM

People on the venomous forum would take issue, but I couldn't agree with you more about licensing. As a matter of fact, I get sick of people who keep venomous animals griping about being persecuted whenever this issue arises. There is no doubt that not everyone should own dangerous snakes. Case in point: I was at a show that had some venomous. I was looking at a Russell's viper that was next to a gaboon viper. These two guys came stumbling over, obviously wasted on something (at noon on a Sunday!). One of the guys grabbed the gaboon cage and said "This is what I want, a gaboon viper!" The guy in charge came over and got him off the cage, but he stayed to chat with the guy, who looked like he was fighting to keep his balance.
This is not the kind of guy who should have a dangerous snake, but he could easily go buy one for less then a hundred dollars right now.
Anyway, these are just my opinions.
Cheers!

Levine Sep 14, 2004 02:51 PM

When the people who arent for licensing probably keep them and bought them illegally?
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tempest Sep 14, 2004 04:28 PM

That question sounds a lot like the standard issue line that the NRA gives regarding a potential assault weapons ban. If you want to debate that, I'll gladly engage you but not on this forum.
The fact is you can buy deadly snakes on this website's classifieds today or any other day for very little money. The only regulation I've seen is that some dealers require proof that you are at least 18. That is not enough to ensure that these snakes don't get into the hands of the uneducated, uninformed, or the irresponsible. Licensing would at least establish that whoever buys a venomous snake has taken the time to get the license and done what the license requires, just like it does with that concealed handgun law here in Texas.
As for illegally acquired animals, I don't forsee a black market for venomous snakes. I imagine that you'd have the same poachers and smugglers you have today with reptiles and other animals. Although I am uneducated as to efforts to stop them, I am comfortable with the fact that you often hear about customs agents thwarting these guys.
Cheers!

oldherper Sep 14, 2004 04:57 PM

>>That question sounds a lot like the standard issue line that the NRA gives regarding a potential assault weapons ban. If you want to debate that, I'll gladly engage you but not on this forum.
>>The fact is you can buy deadly snakes on this website's classifieds today or any other day for very little money. The only regulation I've seen is that some dealers require proof that you are at least 18. That is not enough to ensure that these snakes don't get into the hands of the uneducated, uninformed, or the irresponsible. Licensing would at least establish that whoever buys a venomous snake has taken the time to get the license and done what the license requires, just like it does with that concealed handgun law here in Texas.
>>As for illegally acquired animals, I don't forsee a black market for venomous snakes. I imagine that you'd have the same poachers and smugglers you have today with reptiles and other animals. Although I am uneducated as to efforts to stop them, I am comfortable with the fact that you often hear about customs agents thwarting these guys.
>>Cheers!

Tempest,
While I respect your opinion I disagree wholeheartedly with the correlation you have drawn here. You are comparing apples to oranges. I've yet to hear of a gun escaping from it's cage and making it's way out of the house where it could shoot a neighbor kid on it's own without some human intervention. I would gladly debate you on the effectiveness of Gun Legislation. However, before we do that, I would request that you go and gather all of the facts you can to support your argument. Not just feel-good hyperbole and wishful thinking and propoganda from the Brady's and Feinstiens, but actual verifiable numbers and studies, as well as accessible references to them. I have mine and I would want it to be a fair debate.

As far as licensing for venomous snakes, I agree that training and licensing for venomous snake keepers is a good idea. I'm normally against restrictive legislation and interference into private people's lives by government agencies. However, in this case I agree with some level of control. I have kept snakes, both venomous and non-venomous for about 35 years now. I have seen some real goofballs with snakes that they had absolutely no business owning. I've seen some pretty irresponsible actions, and I've seen some tragic results. Do I think that additional legislation and licensing will end the problems? No at all. Not a chance. Will it help? Yes, in situations where there are not already laws governing the ownership and keeping of venomous animals. The only thing it will do is to provide an avenue for prosecution for people who end up doing stupid things WITHOUT having to resort to a total ban.

We already have plenty of laws on the books everywhere with regard to ownership, possession and use of guns. All that's needed is more enforcement of existing laws.

No law is going to deter the criminal, either with regard to guns or venomous snakes. He will do what he wants regardless of what the law says. That's what criminals do. They break laws.
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tempest Sep 14, 2004 09:26 PM

Having researched and argued both sides of this issue with great success at college debate tournaments within the last five years, I don't think I would disappoint you were we to take up the issue. However, I don't think anyone else on this forum wants to read what either of us has to say.
My point when I first brought it up was to deter Levine from going there because it seemed to me that his reply was baiting the forum towards that issue. I was probably wrong about that, but that was my sense.
I totally respect and agree with just about everything I read from you on these forums. In fact, it seems that we both have the same opinions regarding this licensing issue.
Maybe someday we'll meet up at Daytona or somewhere, in which case I'll buy the first round and we can have a friendly discussion.
Cheers!

oldherper Sep 14, 2004 10:41 PM

Sounds like a winner to me!
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Levine Sep 15, 2004 12:18 AM

I don't think we need any "black market smuggler" to pick up a mojave or eastern diamond-back.
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Everlight389 Sep 14, 2004 02:49 PM

Alot of people just don't get how powerful a venomous snake is.

The real problem with keeping exotics is if/when you get bitten, the hospital normally doesn't have the antivenom for it. Therefore, death is inevitable if your bitten, because there is nothing they can do for you, such as the case with the urutu viper that this woman was bitten by.

Proper training should be a requirement for keeping these animals... or we should just let natural selection take its course.

I really don't understand the attraction of keeping something that could kill you so easily, unless you had the treatment for it in your posession. Though I've never seen the effects of venom firsthand, from pictures I can see that it completely destroys anything that it is injected to, from mice to water buffalo.

In the "proper training" I think that it should be manditory to have the antivenom on hand if you are keeping the snake. It would be difficult (albeit impossible) to regulate, but if the antivenom was on hand deaths would be even lower/non existent.

Just my thoughts...
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crtoon83 Sep 14, 2004 03:45 PM

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