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I received 4 snakes from a dealer friend of mine and he referred to them as striped albino applegate gophers. now that i have searched the entire web for any info on them and can't find a single thing. does anyone know anything about these snakes? you can check out my site for a picture of them. http://www.sandmreptiles.4t.com

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I think there is a lot of confusion from the name "Applegate" being thrown around. An "Applegate gopher" is a certain strain of amelanistic SAN DIEGO gopher. Unfortunately, when they are simply referred to as "Applegate Gophers", a lot of people don't realize that we're talking about San Diegos. There are a few other strains of amelanistic San Diegos(purple blotch,Limburg, etc) that have different coloration. In particular, the "Applegate starin is characterized by high amounts of white, which are in sharp contrast to the other orange markings(exceptional examples are nearly red).

Now, SAN DIEGO gophers can have either blotched(most common) or striped patterns. Now, you can have a striped San Diego that has the "Applegate" gene, so you'd have a "Striped Applegate San Diego Gopher". That said, the ones you have don't appear to be Applegate strain. They ARE Striped Amelanistic San Diegos, but appear to be one of the other strains of amelanism(lower contrast, more pink/yellow than white/orange).

Hopefully this provides some explanation.

Shaun
P&S Pituophis

Well said Shaun
I agree 100% with you . I think people use the name Applegate for sale tackics . Your right there is several bloodline a Albino San Diego Gophers .
I dont know any pure Striped Albino Applegate San Diego Gopher out there and in my opinion I doubt there is .
There is Limburg strain of Striped Albinos that are pure annectan but I think some of these other Striped Albinos have Pacific Gopher in them . 1 its a easy short cut because the the Striped gene Pacific is a Dominate trait . The Striped Annectan is a recessive trait .

I'm working on Striped Albino Applegate phase but have not hit the right combos in the last 2 years .

take care

jason

thanks guys but i wasn't sold these snakes as a sale tactic. the dealer is a friend and gave them to me. he said they were so rare he couldn't even sell them cuz no one believed him. i know he got them from a reliable source. if you can tell me anything more i'd be greatful and if you can tell me what each kind sells for i'd be greatful just so i can have an idea. thanks for the help.

he's the man when it comes to Gophers. Maybe your friend was misinformed because those aren't Applegate colors. I believe those would go for around $75.

I say Amen to that!!!! Jason IS the man when it comes to gophers. The pictures look to me like most pictures (BTW- Your site has some great pictures!)of striped gophers I have seen. I think that if there is any Applegate strain in them it's in the genes. An Applegate with stripes would be an awesome looking snake! Good luck!

Pat Glazener-Cooney

thanks guys but i wasn't sold these snakes as a sale tactic. the dealer is a friend and gave them to me. he said they were so rare he couldn't even sell them cuz no one believed him. i know he got them from a reliable source. if you can tell me anything more i'd be greatful and if you can tell me what each kind sells for i'd be greatful just so i can have an idea. thanks for the help.

If they were so rare that he couldn't sell them, how would we know what they usually sell for?

In my opinion, a hatchling Striped amel San Diego of any type is worth anywhere between $60 and $100.

Hey Shaun
I check out your site , its prety cool . I will need to revisit again when I have more time .
Yeah more Striped albinos are about $100 . If I ever produce a Striped Albino Applegates I was thinking of pricing them around $300 , mostly cause of rarity but who know they might not that great looking . But on the other hand they could be killer if they had bright white strips with dark orange background ?? or if the resemble Russ Albino color wise .

take care

It's kind of surprising there aren't any, it shouldn't be any more difficult than producing a snow corn should it? It's just that you have a recessive pattern trait and a recessive coloration trait instead of two coloration traits. Well, actually, it's exactly the same as "snow" bulls, which are a recessive pattern trait(whiteside) and a recessive coloration trait(amel).

When you say you haven't hit it yet, what have you been putting together and what have you ended up with? It seems that when you breed your double hets together it would a sure thing(well, 25% of clutch on average anyway).
P&S Pituophis

sorry guys... i misinformed you. my friend gave them to us because he wants the clutches from them. he proved their bloodlines for us (they are striped albino applegates. i misunderstood his reasoning. we are one of three people in the country with them so far that we know of. thanks for all the great information and if anyone wants proof of bloodlines let me know i'll try to get hardcore proof i can post. and if anyone is interested in their clutches let me know because they'll be breeding size in a year or so. thanks again everyone.

I would be interested in seeing some info on these guys like the linage and the steps how they where produced .
Beleive me I not trying to dogg on these snake you got and if I think there the real deal I would be interested in getting some .

take care

Jason

Well there could be some out there . I my opinion I dont think there is , but I could easiy be wrong . I'm just saying that most people dont want to take the time to do it . They just want to breed morph to morph to get the quick $ .For example look at the Classified adds people post stuff as Albino Gophers and dont even know what species they are and then you email them and they say they dont know what they are !.
I can tell Striped Pacific from Striped San Diegos even know its hard to tell in albinos because the back ground colors are washed out a bit .
I would be interested seeing some detail close up pics . I will give my honest opinion then . Gopher snake in general have not been explored as much as Bull Snake and Kings& Milks at least in make making multi morphs stuff .

Back in 99 I breed a Albino Applegates to a Striped T Albino which gave me Triple hets . I bred these Triple hets is 2003 only 5 hatched . I got 2 normals , 1 Striped normal , 1 Blotched T and 1 Sunglow ??? it is a Applegate Albino and T albino in one .

This year I got from these Triple hets 3 Blotched Albino Applegate , 3 T Albino 1 striped and 2 Blotched , 5 Striped normals and 2 blotched normals .
The odds just have not landed yet maybe next year , I have 3 female to bred , so time will tell .

Jason

when i get my digital camera working i'll send you better pics if you send me your email or i'll get someone else's camera. that photo on my page is one my dealer emailed me before i got the snakes but he took me to the dealer with the parents (who it turns out i know and trust) tonite and he is putting me in touch with the breeder who produced them. I am following up on the bloodlines thoroughly so i'll let you know more but i have guarantees from two breeder/dealers that i trust whole heartedly. If you are unsuccessful in breeding some yourself in the next year or two i'd be happy to try to get ahold of another pair for you (i'll get them very affordable since i'm one of my dealers best customers). Good luck and i'd like to see some pics of yours if you can send me some. I bet their beautiful. Also maybe we can talk trade once mine are breeding (if their bloodlines are true). Thanks again, Sera
sabuyny@hotmail.com

Oh and Jason this is my first year breeding anything so if you can give me tips that may help me breed the gophers (min. size, weight, temp, humidity, etc.) i'd be extremely grateful. I'd love to talk to someone who can really teach me something. (Funny story: My dealer was teaching me to sex alligators and I accidentally went the "wrong way" and got peed on. lol. but it turned out to be a female. ) Oh well, anyway post some tips if you can or email me. Thanks so much for all your help AGAIN!!!!

Yeah keep me posted .
For some reason I cant find your pictures of these guys .
Best tip I can give is when breeding Annectans it best to have several pairs and house them together during breeding season . They are tougher to breed then some pituophis .

thansk jason

It turns out that the striped albino applegate gophers are indeed truely what was claimed. Mike purchased them from Brad who received them directly from John Applegate. Brad has my snakes parents and they are one of the first clutches out of Applegate's striped albino applegate gophers. Applegate's contact info is somewhere on the web if you need to verify it yourself. So let me know if you want one or two cuz all three sets of adults in the country will breed this spring.
Thanks again. Sera

Hello
Sounds good .
I'm looking for more info like what the F1 offspring looked like when they crossed the 2 morphs and a time frames . Should email John Applegate for these questions .

Thanks jason

I don't have his contact info but i'm sure Brad will put me in touch with him. Anyway I got pictures of the parents of my applegates and i'll take some new ones of mine soon. I'll post them tonite if i can. good luck.
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sera

So you have striped applegate gophers from John Applegate. Any chance John has another name like Robert or Bob?

If you are not familiar with the Applegate line of gophers suggest you contact the originator of that line. He also writes books and his website is on kingsnake's home page..

Russ

It is quite possible I have the wrong first name since my friend was a little inebriated when he was giving me the details of the lineage. Thanks for the correction.
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Robert applegate hasn't even had any of his own gophers for about 7 years now,And he never bred any striped into them.
This is all a bunch of b.s. and you got took (naybe not by price but by a big lie).There is no way that those are applegate striped gophers,I don't know who brad or that other dealer guy is but there are way to many steps and two many years involved to just think theres adult pairs out there??????

Anyways,You have a nice pair of striped san diego gophers there and just leave it at that.

shannon brown

I was trying to lead this person down the path that might help them figure out what you stated.

Thanks for saying what really needed to be said oh...about 15 posts ago

Steve tells me he loves his Stillwaters. I told him he needs to get the ghost sonorans too Good luck at IRBA.

Russ Bates