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All i want to know is should i have night time temp drops and what is a good feeding shedule....please just answer these from the best of ur knowledge and forget all this aruing and other stuff thank you,
mike

Look below at the thread YOU started "Big baby burm heating problem".

This was my reply: "Just as the sun goes down in their home town, the temps should drop to low 80's but no more than 78 at night"

This was Carmichaels reply: "As far as night time drops go, YES, a mild drop is perfectly acceptable but I would caution in allowing night temps to dip too far below the mid to upper 70's/ 80 for more than 6-8 hours. The key during these drops is to maintain optimal humidity levels while NOT sacrificing good air flow. As my previous comments and recommendations suggested, your set up is NOT appropriate for keeping a burm; period."

As to your feeding schedule, Todd Becker has already replied: "As far as your feeding schedule I am going to tell you just like I mentioned to slipkorn in the previous thread. Skip the mice. They are a waste of time and not necassary. Start with rat hoppers adn move up from there. You want to minimize the number of switches you must make and it will be much easier on the both of you. Todd" He also mentioned a 14 day schedule in his message to Slipkorn.

Your statement of will someone please just answer my question, when indeed they have been answered, tells me you are no where near ready for this animal. Seriously man, put the advice given into action and really try, or bother another forum. You can't put Toyota parts on a Ford! If you think a burm is hard work, don't ever have kids.

DZ

You know all of you think u r some kind of crazy know it all experts and think if ur not u that u cant get a burm,.......my dad is a damn herpatologist albert dolan from PA and yes he gives me info too i just like a lot of sources...If i want a burm ill get a burm in fact i have 1 and i am keeping it stop eggaderating so much there not that hard feed every 5 days keep temps right...u people are just too obsessive this snake is not my whole life i have friends family a girl friend and school its just a hobby and companion of mine and it does fine the way i raise it...no further comments!

No ones trying to push you away. Just get you to understand that you seem to be your biggest problem right now. Actually it was a good educational experience that all this happened. Your immaturity has proven the point Todd, Rob, and many others were trying to make previously about teenagers and the responsibility of owning a large snake. A few teenagers have said how mature and ready they are for one but you, you got excited and frustrated and simply by your comments, made it clear that you are the example of why teenagers should not own them. We all know you already have the snake, we just feel bad for it.

P.S. That's bad that you got this from me. Usually when the others get tired of being nice, I try to fill in to try and keep the poster from shying away. Congrats! You managed to disgust me with your....never mind! I'm done! Even still, good luck with your situation.

DZ

Woa now calm down. I am a teen but I am much more ready and all for these. you do not have to worry about my animals. They are cared for just fine. It is people like this that make worry though. I do understand what you mean though. Most teens have no biz with them but I do. I did not take anythign affenzive but htought I'd let you know not all are imature and irresponsibel and do not listen.
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Justin

I know. I mentioned that in the last one. Some teens have shown they can handle it but they are not the norm. Does this make you a weirdo? J/K. This guy just doesn't get it. I will say though, at least he has stuck to a halfway educated vocabulary. Spelling may be off a little but he can articulate without expletives.

This is what is wrong with you and I sensed it from the begining. First off if your father is a herpitologist then what the hell are you doing asking "ametuers" (no offense Rob ). Your father should have depths of knowledge and mounds of books to answer all your basic questions that you are asking. If he refuses and wants you to do research on your own, then that is the first thing that you should do. Research. The web has unlimitless information on this subject and everything anyone wants to know about anything can be found if one is diligent enough.
As far as your burm not being your life, you are wrong for that. Your burm is a living creature and since you decided to be careless and purchase the snake then it is your sole responsibility to care and provide for this snake. You are expected to have a life also, but you are obligated to prvide for this animal. you are not.
We ahve all given you the same advice. No one here thinks they are smarter than anyone else and no one thinks that they know everything that there is to now about herping. However when multiple people give you the same advice repeatedly then through deductive reasoning one should come to the conclusion that it is correct. Why is it that you think you have more knowledge and should not listen to people that have cumolitively over 40 years of herp experience (between myself and Rob we have almost that many if not more, I am not bragging or trying to make myself look good, just trying to prove my point). We give the advice for a reason. Because it is the right answers as we have discovered through years of experience. When I started this hobby in the 80's there was hardly any information available on snakes and what was out there was usually somewhat inaccurate. We learned from word of mouth and trial and error. A lot of animals in the hobby suffered because of the lack of knowledge. Thanks to pioneers in the hobby (Bob Clark, the Barkers, Trooper Walsh, and countless others) information is now available in unfathomable proportions. One only has to have the desire to search for it and research it. Everyone wants all the answered given to them. I don't mind giving the answers but damn it it would be nice if the inexperienced person asking the question would respect the experience of the people responding and attempt to adhere to the sound advice. You haven't attempted to improve teh snakes habitat at all. Waiting until your snake is about 5' is a piss poor excuse. There is a possibilty that your snake will never make it because you do not care enough about it as a baby to correct your inadequecies. Todd

I have seen this guy on a few other forums and I think (nt sure if it is the same person) I have seen him on the bobclark forums? But anyways to my point. From what info I have gathered you are looking for a smaller boid. Why didn't you try getting you a red tail or somthing? I saw your post in the conda forum asking about the size of a male green and yellow cross or somehtign like that. You should never buy anything then research it. Yuo should always research then buy if you think.... I mean know you can handle it. One thing about the conda. You should not get a conda man. Regardless whether male or female or green or yellow. They are harder to get to eat and there are not as many cb. The only thing I think you should do right now is to buy soem sort of plastic box about 26"l X 6"h X 15"w. put your heat pad under about 1/4 of the box and give it water. LEt it eat about 2-3 meals and then start holding it about 20 minutes a day or so. Do not stress it and be mature with a large boid.
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Justin

Heyy just thought i'd say that i'm not sure immature teens are the "norm". I'm nineteen going on twenty with about 50 snakes and other reptiles. I do fine keeping, handling, and breeding my reptiles. Not everyone is cut out for snakes or reptiles but please don't be too hard on the kid. He's trying to learn, maybe he just needs some simpler language, afterall even amateur herps learn some big words that beginners don't understand. I'm not saying whether or not he should have the snake but lets all try to play nice and help the beginners, at least for their snake's sake. After all I'm sure you all know what you do because you learned from mistakes, whether they be yours or someone else's. I hope you guys read this because I like to think of us as a tight community since just about anyone who doesn't understand snakes will call us crazy or point out horror stories of inexperienced keepers dying from keeping hots or snakes that escaped and ate someone's dog. Lets at least put on a united front and help keep these inexperienced keeper stories to a minimum by helping anyone who's willing to look for help. I can tell you I just started with alligators and when I was learning how to sex them (from a local breeder) I accidentally pushed my finger the wrong way and got peed on. Its not a horror story but everyone's gotta make mistakes. So please guys for our communities sake and for the snake's sake just keep trying to explain something. They'll eventually get it. sera
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2.2 african house snakes
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Sera,
I just wanted to state that I completely agree with you but the problem is that there needs to be some effort put forth by the newbie. Yes everyone starts somewhere and with little knowledge, however most of us that are serious about this hobby listened to the wiser and more experienced people in the herp community. When one shows blatent nonchalantness (not sure if that is a word but you know what I mean) then it jsut shows us that he truely does not care about the welfare of his snake and our advice. He was given sound advice from several different experienced people here about the short comings of his enclosure and repeatedly stated that it was fine and he was going to continue to utilize it as is until the snake is bigger. We have all tried to be civil and not use the teens are not ready for such a snake. I whole heartedly agree that such blanket statements should not be used. However this indivisual has shown us nothing but a simpliton attitude and a lack of unedrstanding for the responsibility he ahs undertaken by purchasing a burm in the first place. Todd