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a couple of my annulata finds for the year..

jpenney Sep 16, 2004 11:35 PM

Found this one in Dimmit County, Texas feeding well..
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

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jpenney Sep 16, 2004 11:37 PM

Actually this is the third I found this year but I didn't shoot pictures of the second...
also from Dimmit County, Texas
Jason
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

shannon brown Sep 17, 2004 01:33 AM

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jpenney Sep 17, 2004 05:21 PM
happycamper Sep 17, 2004 04:32 PM

J,
You just have to rub it in don't you. jk
I have been out to the area several times and only succeeded in using tons of gas and finding lots of atrox. I found a DOR indigo one night, awesome glossy jet black, not brownish like the ones in Medina county. That was sad. When was the last time you were looking? Any other cool sightings?
~L

jpenney Sep 17, 2004 05:15 PM

I haven't had that much time to herp due to work but I may head out tonight and do some looking in the hill country if it don't get too chilly. Nothing else of note thus far this year though.
Jason
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Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

happycamper Sep 18, 2004 01:11 AM

Just found this baby Texas rat tonight near my house. Knew I would find one eventually because I have seen 3 others this size smashed on the same road (one was still alive and I fed it to my coral). Cute when they are small. He sure likes to bite me though. I bet you will see a baby atrox or two if you cruise the hill country. I've seen about a dozen tiny ones lately around here. Mild, wet summer must have been good for mama rattlers...

chrish Sep 18, 2004 11:37 PM

>>Just found this baby Texas rat tonight near my house. Knew I would find one eventually because I have seen 3 others this size smashed on the same road (one was still alive and I fed it to my coral). Cute when they are small. He sure likes to bite me though. I bet you will see a baby atrox or two if you cruise the hill country. I've seen about a dozen tiny ones lately around here. Mild, wet summer must have been good for mama rattlers...
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Chris Harrison

happycamper Sep 19, 2004 12:08 AM

Yeah they sure look alike as juveniles, but it's an obsoleta lindheimeri for sure. I wish it was a corn actually, they are quite rare in these parts. Emoryi look similar too as neonates. I've almost been fooled a couple times myself...

ErikH Sep 23, 2004 12:12 AM

Trust me,that IS a guttata.I've seen hundreds of baby emoryi and lindheimeri.Look closely at the head patterns of both and you'll see the difference,also the lindheimeri heads are shaped slightly differently.

happycamper Sep 24, 2004 12:33 PM

So far:

3 people have said it's an E.g. guttata

3 have said E.g. emoryi

and another says E.g. meahllmorum!

Man they all sure look alike!!! Here is what Michael Smith of the DFW Herpetological Society has to say: "Recently, some herpetologists have considered that the Elaphe guttata in east Texas is the corn snake subspecies, while those in south Texas below the Balcones Escarpment are “southwestern rat snakes” (Elaphe guttata meahllmorum). That leaves the rest of Elaphe guttata in north Texas, the hill country, and west Texas as Great Plains rat snakes (E. g. emoryi)."

Here's another pic of it:

ErikH Sep 27, 2004 01:05 AM

All I can say for sure is it's a guttata,not a E.o.lindheimeri.I'm not up to date on the split of E.g.emoryi,last time I checked there was only E.g.guttata and E.g.emoryi.

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