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another one like the first hacthed-this one is bigger and meaner
hence the not so great photos.

BTW-there aren't any corn snakes in this area-not native ones anyway. North East PA.

Need abit of advice on something I notice about these guys-they seem to be having problem getting through the shells-does one help them or what? I never have before BUT....I've never such thick shells on any snake eggs as these are.

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Cool looking hatching.
Is there any way we can see a pic of the parents?
It looks to me like one of the parents may be an eastern milk.
I don't know if a black rat and a milk snake can or will breed but it just has "that" look to it.
I cut a a few eggs to help some hatchlings make there way out of the eggs and strange enough those are the three anerys I have that won't eat.
One has eaten a couple of times on his own (since April) and two have never eaten on thier own.
I wonder if they would have just died if I had left them alone.
Leading me to go one step farther and wonder if these are just three that really weren't meant to make it.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Glad to see one made it.Are the others normal looking?It would be a shame if that one turned all black.Are both parents Pa. specimens?Keep us posted on that one, and congrats!

Yeah corn snakes are not native to PA at all for those who didn't know.

I hope you DONT live in PA because you do know it is actually against the fishing and boating commission's laws(they run everything relative to herps in PA) to breed black rat snakes in PA. You can own them,just can't breed them,sell them or anything else in PA since they are a local species. You can only own two..PA laws are pretty lean but there are restrictions on local species. You don't need any paper work(bill of sale) for local species except anything listed rare or threatened.

Funny that we have NO RESTRICTIONS on keeping something as dangerous as a black mamba but we are restricted on the black rat snake..LOL
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Reptiles
0.1 - Early 2002 Anery Motley Corn 33 1/2"
1.0 - Late 2003 Yellow Rat Snake 15 2/3"
0.0.1 - 2003 Banded California King Snake 29 2/3"
1.0 Green Anole
0.0.0 House Gecko
0.1 Painted Turtle

Mammals
4 female ferrets,1 male cat and 1 male doberman...and a few kids!

RIP - Nala my Rottie 08/19/2004

Not sure about this, but I'm guessing that if you have the right permits you could keep and breed them if you want. In Ohio they are illegal to own, but if you have the right permits, etc. you can keep/breed as many as you want.
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alstiver@hotmail.com

3.3 adult cornsnakes
1.4.8 baby cornsnakes
8 cornsnake eggs

Hi Rob -
I remembered going through the fish and boating regulations you sent me the link to. You can't breed and/or sell native PA species and/or subspecies I believe. I believe there was a statement in there that you can breed species and subspecies that are native to PA if they are captive born and you have paperwork to prove it. If the snakes you are breeding did not come out of the wild in PA and were captive produced. Since you can't breed wild caught black rat snakes from PA, the ones you can breed would have to be captive born black rat snakes from another legal state. I live in California and you might have a better interpretation of the regulations. In any case, you are correct that if those black rat snakes that were bred are wild caught, you can't breed them in PA even if they were wild caught in MO.

That is funny (or not funny) that you can own and breed black mambas and not black rat snakes in one view point. Don't say that too loud because the PA fish and boating might want to revisit their regulations and tighten their controls up. It would be O.K. if they did it individually, but they make these blanket regulations where all the snakes get caught up in and you can't possess and/or work with anything.

Terry Parks

Terry,
As far as my knowledge we aren't allowed to breed any native PA species that are WC animals. We are also not allowed to remove any gravid females from the wild.We CAN breed snakes that are native from PA BUT they MUST be CB from another state. Any WC snakes from PA(or anywhere else for that matter since you don't have proof of sale/possession) are illegal to sell or make a profit off of,which includes breeding for sale. Here is the law regarding that.

(The purpose of our regulations regarding the sale of reptiles and amphibians is to minimize exploitation of wild populations by eliminating a profit motive. Catching gravid females and/or captive breeding of wild caught specimens to produced young for sale goes against our philosophy of not permitting the commercial use of these species.)

The poster said these snakes were WC from PA. I was just letting them know that they could get in some trouble if they were to sell these snakes or even breed them since they were WC. I sent the poster a message with the some of the laws but never got a reply back.

I am just letting this person know the laws since being that I live in PA I don't want the state passing new laws to combat people who don't follow our current laws. We have pretty good state laws concerning exotics but all it takes is a few law breakers and the state will again revise the laws on exotics. Now some local government's have different laws. In Philly you can not own any venomous animals.Lucky for me my local gov has NO Restrictions meaning we follow state law so I can pretty much own ANY reptile I wanted as long as I had a documentation of purchase for certain species.

Just a decade ago every spring petstores were FULL of WC black rat snakes because there were no laws regarding the sale of native species at all.Their numbers started to decline and so they made up some new laws to protect them. With the new law in effect to native species we are seeing a huge spike in the sale of WC yellow rat snakes and they sell for as little as 19.99 in some stores.Since yellow rat snakes are not native to PA petstores can sell them by the dozens.

If someone in PA wants to BREED and SELL a black rat snake the snake must be CB from another state and we must have proof of that sale.We must also keep documents on the young that the snakes produce if we are going to sell them. In the posters case he/she stated the snakes were WC. As a reptile owner I expect everyone to follow the laws including me. If we all respect the laws then the government will impose less restrictions on the keeping of exotic animals.

Unfortunately about a year or so ago a local boy in Buck's County PA bought an exotic snake from a reptile show that took place in Bucks/Lancaster county in PA. The kid has the snake for a week and later he gets tagged then starts feeling sick.The parents rush the kid to the hospital and it turns out the snake was an African Bush Viper.The kid lost part of his finger from what I understand and the parents decided to sue the dealer and the show and bring state wide attention to the reptile laws in PA.The case has yet to goto court but the parent's maintain that the dealer never told them the snake was venomous and say tougher restrictions need to be put in place to prevent this from happening again.Turns out the kid was only 16 and the dealer sold the snake to him BUT the parents were present and said it was ok but they maintain that he never once explained the snake was dangerous.Needless to say that show did not take place this year. It's little things like this that are bringing in new laws and restrictions IMO.
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Reptiles
0.1 - Early 2002 Anery Motley Corn 33 1/2"
1.0 - Late 2003 Yellow Rat Snake 15 2/3"
0.0.1 - 2003 Banded California King Snake 29 2/3"
1.0 Green Anole
0.0.0 House Gecko
0.1 Painted Turtle

Mammals
4 female ferrets,1 male cat and 1 male doberman...and a few kids!

RIP - Nala my Rottie 08/19/2004

would love to see pics of them...