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WOLFINMAYERHOFER Sep 18, 2004 02:41 PM

GREETINGS...

This is a warning to all who take their ball pythons to a vet in a vehicle, which means just about all of us!

I took my five-year-old male ball python, Kaa, to the vet to have a speculum removed on Friday, 9/17/04. He always travels on my lap, curled up inside of a towel inside of a set of pop trays, one over the other, with air holes cut and punched in them. It's not a secure box - the side holes are large. But - he was always good and slept while I drove.

Yesterday, we were more than halfway there, when I felt something against my leg. I looked, and it was his tail! I grabbed it, but he whipped it up, into where the rest of his body was - he'd disappeared into the crevices underneath the dashboard of my 1992 Aerostar minivan!

In horror, not knowing at the time that vehicles are built with firewalls, I thought that he'd gone into the engine, and that it was mangling him. I managed to pull into the first industrial/construction driveway (we'd just gotten off of the highway), parked and locked, and went running into the McDonalds about five-hundred feet away. I opened the door and screamed for them to call 911, as my animal was caught in my engine!

I ran back to him... To shorten this tale, I had the Avon Police, the North Ridgeville Police, the North Ridgeville Fire Department, and the North Ridgeville Animal Warden show up. There were police cars, a fire truck, and the dog warden's truck, all blocking part of the street, and completly obstructing the construction driveway into which I'd pulled. I had them call my vet and my husband. My husband also called the vet, then drove out with his tool boxes.

It took about three hours to get Kaa out. First we couldn't find him at all. I was still worried about the engine, with its oil, antifreeze, burning hot temperatures, and spinning parts. It was explained to me that he couldn't get from the dashboard to the engine because of the firewall, which keeps the fire out, in case the engines catchs fire. They kept asking me - was I sure that I had a snake in there? They checked the back of the van, but, I told them that he was in the dashboard.

Then, one of the cops spotted him. They kept removing parts, but, none of them was large enough to get a clear shot at him.

I explained to them that you can't PULL a snake, as you'll hurt him, you'll break him in two, you'll damage his digestive organs.
One of the cops also warned the other not to pull him backwards, as he'd rip up his scales.

All of this went on for hours. We had all of these labor forces people milling around, plus my husband and I, the McDonald's guy, and the occassional driver who wanted to know what was going on.
And the truck driver with loads of dirt to be delivered to the construction site, who was pretty upset that he couldn't get in to do his job.

At one point, I put my open hand near Kaa's head (his body was all wrapped around different pieces/parts of the interior of the dashboard), and he rested his little head on my palm. I begged him to come out to me, to get on my hand, but, he moved his head back in, and was gone. I was beside myself, not knowing if this was how it would all end, if I'd ever see him alive again.

In the meantime, there was howling gusts of wind, and it was extremely cold, remnants of the hurricanes, come our way. I gave my husband my parka from the back of the van, but refused to wear the other coat myself. As long as Kaa was cold, I'd be cold. And he was starting to get lethargic. At one point, I had both of my hands on him, but, he was rigid, and tightly squeezed around and against various parts of the contraption. There was no way that I could get him out in one piece!

The entire dash had to be removed, the battery disconnected, the steering wheel disengaged, the lights pulled apart... There was screws and plastic panels everywhere. Because the windshield was still on, and nobody had a short enough screwdriver, it was almost impossible to get at the screws in the fron of the top of the dashboard.

Finally, the animal control guy got him through a crevice, putting both hands on the front of Kaa's body. A cop got him from the back, putting both hands around him, and feeding him towards the cop. Somehow, they inched him out. They triumphanted handed him to me, but not before they snapped a shot of the animal warden holding him up in the air.

The end of the story is that I clasped him to my chest, put on my coat, and wrapped a knit blanket around us. The van had to be towed, as it was torn up and completely undrivable. It took our local Ford dealership four hours to put it back together. We have Super AAA, so the tow was free, but Ford charged $277.55 for the repair!)

While my husband was dealing with the towtruck driver, I sat in his car with Kaa. To my horror, he went through one of the large holes in the blanket, then another, and another. Now he was completely tangled in the blanket. As his body is several inches around at the girth (perhaps three? I'll measure him soon.), the material was constricting him badly. I jumped out of the car, snake and blanket in hand, yelling for my husband that I needed the scissors out of the van before it was towed away. He gave me the scissors, and I freed his head and neck from one of the holes, but the one around his middle was way too tight and close to his skin to risk cutting.

My husband raced us to the vet's office. We were three hours late from our original appointment, and they told us to have a seat. I told them that Kaa was strangulating himself, and they rushed us into a room. The vet came in and somehow eased him forward through the blanket and into freedom.

She said that she should've told me that most of her snake patients arrive in tied off pillowcases, and proceeded to show me with the pillowcase that I had with me - I was using it as a purse. I should've had my money and documents in the box and the snake in the pillowcase!

So, in spite of the trauma and drama, Kaa survived it all without any harm. I put him in his warm aquarium, went to bed in exhaustion, and proceeded to have two nightmares about the incident. (While the incident was all unfolding, I kept hoping that this was just a nightmare, that I'd wake up from it, and that this was not really happening...)

I know that I recovered from it, more or less, when, in the wee hours of this morning, I finally took out the notes that the vet wrote in Kaa's chart: "Kaa got caught up in the van's dashboard; arrived caught up in a yarn blanket." I read it thirty times, and each time, I got caught up in hysterical laughter, to the point of tears. I lost my mind, but got my snake back!

Happy ending to terrifying story!!!

BLESSED BE.

WOLFIN )O(

Replies (19)

RaulGomez Sep 18, 2004 02:54 PM

Many moons ago I lost one of the first ball pythons I bought in the dash of a car for 5 days......

After 5 days she just came out into the open. I guess she was tired of being in the car lol...

Im glad you got him back...

Raul

JaredHorenstein Sep 18, 2004 03:57 PM

What were you thinking.....taking your snake in your car.........loose???? How many time have you seen similar posts placed up here on the boards............almost daily....

C'mon people........common sense here........

Would you allow your children to play in traffic? No youd want to keep them safe and sound right......well if you value your animals as more than just animals, then for god sakes take care of them.

Just my $.02

Jared Horenstein

eunectes4 Sep 18, 2004 04:11 PM

not to mention a lot of attention drawn there with irresponsible actions among snake keepers. we need that right now. I hate to be mean and I know your heart was likely in your throat but think of how many snake haters at mcdonalds saw that and how "easily" snakes escape. It is human responsibility to be smarter than snakes.

billcherep Sep 18, 2004 05:55 PM

Even the best of the breeders loose animals. I have read many posts from well known respected breeders in the Reptile field. Agreed, we need to be careful especially with the law makers passing laws but we all know that the second you put down your guard its when it happens. I am only about a year into this wonderful hobby/industry but have noticed that on these forums there are a couple of people that just sit back and wait to pounce on people who give wrong info, don't use your methods or are wondering about there snake being a morph. Just enjoy these reptiles and relax.
Sorry to rant, this was a great story and well written. Must have taken you a long time. I was picturing this as I read it and could only imagine the scene. Glad all ended well.

-Bill

eunectes4 Sep 18, 2004 09:44 PM

people get a little too uptight and tend to jump on people quickly. I also think people with legitimate questions get missed a lot and nobody answers. Anyway...we all mess up...I just think some of this stuff could be more discrete...CALL 911 cetainly is far from that. I don't think I was the one who needed to relax lol.

combs reptiles Sep 18, 2004 09:20 PM

thats just plain dumb to drive around with a ball in ya lap.
Im sure ya learned a lesson, and put it in a sealed container in a snake sack if possible.

Its like this retard i saw at walmart, he looked like he survived some experiments from the 60's with LSD and was walking around with a 4-5 boa wrapped around his neck, kissing it and acting like a moron. When you mention snake breeding to some folk, thats what they think of. I wanted to ask the guy what mental hospital he just got out of..LOL.

Common sense folks. I know its in short supply these days, but c'mon!!

Mike

tekwarren Oct 01, 2004 03:42 PM

Ditto on that...If you have any respect for animals in general you will secure them durring transport. I can see a dog or other such common pet being lose in the car...but a reptile...no way! I'm sorry but that's just irresponsible. You are lucky in more than one way in this situation.

*shakes head*

LdyPayne Sep 18, 2004 06:19 PM

Though I am glad to hear the snake wasn't hurt but I hope you learned your lesson. You should never travel in a car with any animal that isn't safely secured. Snakes and other small animals should be kept in a carry, even if it's just a rubbermaid container with holes or a sealed pillow case. What would have happened if the snake got under your break or gas petal? May have injuried the snake stomping on the gas or break and maybe even yourself and others.

Even dogs and cats should be in carriers while in vehicles, for their safety more than anything. If you have to slam on the breaks for anything, your pet is going to go flying and get injuried. Too many people travel with dogs who's head is sticking out of windows or worse, running back and forth in the back of a pick up. Drives me batty to see people do this but I see it all the time. Animal carriers are not that expensive.

jyohe Sep 18, 2004 09:04 PM

WTH
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Thomas j Sep 18, 2004 10:16 PM

>>GREETINGS...
>>
>>This is a warning to all who take their ball pythons to a vet in a vehicle, which means just about all of us!
>>
>>I took my five-year-old male ball python, Kaa, to the vet to have a speculum removed on Friday, 9/17/04. He always travels on my lap, curled up inside of a towel inside of a set of pop trays, one over the other, with air holes cut and punched in them. It's not a secure box - the side holes are large. But - he was always good and slept while I drove.
>>
>>Yesterday, we were more than halfway there, when I felt something against my leg. I looked, and it was his tail! I grabbed it, but he whipped it up, into where the rest of his body was - he'd disappeared into the crevices underneath the dashboard of my 1992 Aerostar minivan!
>>
>>In horror, not knowing at the time that vehicles are built with firewalls, I thought that he'd gone into the engine, and that it was mangling him. I managed to pull into the first industrial/construction driveway (we'd just gotten off of the highway), parked and locked, and went running into the McDonalds about five-hundred feet away. I opened the door and screamed for them to call 911, as my animal was caught in my engine!
>>
>>I ran back to him... To shorten this tale, I had the Avon Police, the North Ridgeville Police, the North Ridgeville Fire Department, and the North Ridgeville Animal Warden show up. There were police cars, a fire truck, and the dog warden's truck, all blocking part of the street, and completly obstructing the construction driveway into which I'd pulled. I had them call my vet and my husband. My husband also called the vet, then drove out with his tool boxes.
>>
>>It took about three hours to get Kaa out. First we couldn't find him at all. I was still worried about the engine, with its oil, antifreeze, burning hot temperatures, and spinning parts. It was explained to me that he couldn't get from the dashboard to the engine because of the firewall, which keeps the fire out, in case the engines catchs fire. They kept asking me - was I sure that I had a snake in there? They checked the back of the van, but, I told them that he was in the dashboard.
>>
>>Then, one of the cops spotted him. They kept removing parts, but, none of them was large enough to get a clear shot at him.
>>
>>I explained to them that you can't PULL a snake, as you'll hurt him, you'll break him in two, you'll damage his digestive organs.
>>One of the cops also warned the other not to pull him backwards, as he'd rip up his scales.
>>
>>All of this went on for hours. We had all of these labor forces people milling around, plus my husband and I, the McDonald's guy, and the occassional driver who wanted to know what was going on.
>>And the truck driver with loads of dirt to be delivered to the construction site, who was pretty upset that he couldn't get in to do his job.
>>
>>At one point, I put my open hand near Kaa's head (his body was all wrapped around different pieces/parts of the interior of the dashboard), and he rested his little head on my palm. I begged him to come out to me, to get on my hand, but, he moved his head back in, and was gone. I was beside myself, not knowing if this was how it would all end, if I'd ever see him alive again.
>>
>>In the meantime, there was howling gusts of wind, and it was extremely cold, remnants of the hurricanes, come our way. I gave my husband my parka from the back of the van, but refused to wear the other coat myself. As long as Kaa was cold, I'd be cold. And he was starting to get lethargic. At one point, I had both of my hands on him, but, he was rigid, and tightly squeezed around and against various parts of the contraption. There was no way that I could get him out in one piece!
>>
>>The entire dash had to be removed, the battery disconnected, the steering wheel disengaged, the lights pulled apart... There was screws and plastic panels everywhere. Because the windshield was still on, and nobody had a short enough screwdriver, it was almost impossible to get at the screws in the fron of the top of the dashboard.
>>
>>Finally, the animal control guy got him through a crevice, putting both hands on the front of Kaa's body. A cop got him from the back, putting both hands around him, and feeding him towards the cop. Somehow, they inched him out. They triumphanted handed him to me, but not before they snapped a shot of the animal warden holding him up in the air.
>>
>>The end of the story is that I clasped him to my chest, put on my coat, and wrapped a knit blanket around us. The van had to be towed, as it was torn up and completely undrivable. It took our local Ford dealership four hours to put it back together. We have Super AAA, so the tow was free, but Ford charged $277.55 for the repair!)
>>
>>While my husband was dealing with the towtruck driver, I sat in his car with Kaa. To my horror, he went through one of the large holes in the blanket, then another, and another. Now he was completely tangled in the blanket. As his body is several inches around at the girth (perhaps three? I'll measure him soon.), the material was constricting him badly. I jumped out of the car, snake and blanket in hand, yelling for my husband that I needed the scissors out of the van before it was towed away. He gave me the scissors, and I freed his head and neck from one of the holes, but the one around his middle was way too tight and close to his skin to risk cutting.
>>
>>My husband raced us to the vet's office. We were three hours late from our original appointment, and they told us to have a seat. I told them that Kaa was strangulating himself, and they rushed us into a room. The vet came in and somehow eased him forward through the blanket and into freedom.
>>
>>She said that she should've told me that most of her snake patients arrive in tied off pillowcases, and proceeded to show me with the pillowcase that I had with me - I was using it as a purse. I should've had my money and documents in the box and the snake in the pillowcase!
>>
>>So, in spite of the trauma and drama, Kaa survived it all without any harm. I put him in his warm aquarium, went to bed in exhaustion, and proceeded to have two nightmares about the incident. (While the incident was all unfolding, I kept hoping that this was just a nightmare, that I'd wake up from it, and that this was not really happening...)
>>
>>I know that I recovered from it, more or less, when, in the wee hours of this morning, I finally took out the notes that the vet wrote in Kaa's chart: "Kaa got caught up in the van's dashboard; arrived caught up in a yarn blanket." I read it thirty times, and each time, I got caught up in hysterical laughter, to the point of tears. I lost my mind, but got my snake back!
>>
>>Happy ending to terrifying story!!!
>>
>>BLESSED BE.
>>
>>WOLFIN )O(
>>
>>
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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@earthlink.net

glkherp Sep 18, 2004 11:46 PM

This person posted a sincere story and are getting cut to pieces... Did they make a mistake? Yes... Have they learned from it? Sounds like it.... Does calling them dumb and stupid make any sense? NO.... Be objective people, remember there are people here new to snake.... Most care sheets don't talk about proper transportation methods, so it doesn't even mean they didn't do their research.... Again be objective... not judgmental, try to help people learn from their mistakes not belittle for making one....

George Knaack
GLK HERP

eunectes4 Sep 19, 2004 12:55 AM

I have to admit that I mentioned how harmfull this was to the hobby but I was also a first response and I think it is pointless to beat a dead horse...dead horse being the issue and not the keeper lol. I also did not call names, that looks pretty ignorant and dumb on our part.

warriorprncss3 Sep 19, 2004 07:37 AM

Anyone who's ever had a snake out knows the pain of someone who's snake is in some sort of predicament. Right now I have three snakes loose in my house. Two are ringnecks and they escaped through a slit made with a razor blade so they would have air in their container. I couldn't believe they managed it. Then one of our balls, Jessie, disappeared as if by magic, from an aquarium with a locked screen lid. None of the snakes have been seen since their disappearance and my boyfriend is losing his mind with worry. Also at a fair where my friend had set up a display of his snakes my large female escaped from a cat carrier that was all fabric with no holes (just screen on the front for a window and a zipper that was fully shut). She managed this feat in under 10 minutes between the time I put her back into the carrier and parking the car about two spaces up from where it had been. Luckily it was a hot day and with a black interior she was only too happy to come back out in about two hours. I know how snakes can be and I know some of you not-so-amateur people out there know snakes can escape in ways a contortionist or houdini couldn't. So lets not bash people who haven't learned this yet. As long as the person makes every effort to find the snake and make sure it comes to no harm I'm just happy to hear a good story with a happy outcome. Wish me luck with my snakes that are loose. Thanks Sera

boajeff Sep 19, 2004 05:00 PM

George, the problem is right after she gets the snake bag she is holding it loose AGAIN and puts it in danger so she didn't learn.
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Jeff West

Snakebstr Sep 19, 2004 03:39 PM

Actions like these are what cause the reptile haters to pass crazy laws, and believe me they will look for any excuse. Calling 911 give me a break, 911's are for emergencyies, a snake getting cought in your dash of your is not an emergency, besides you should always keep your snake in a good closed container, PEOPLE just DON'T USE the brain they have..this whole story is totally uncalled for, I think the Person who this happend to should really get rid of all of the snakes they have before something worse happens. Then snake gets caught in the dash of the car and then they let it get caught in a blanket...not that snake really was tramatized, people like that will make this hobby of our really bad if they keep on. Crazy Crazy Crazy. Just my 2 cents....David

krup Sep 19, 2004 10:44 PM

Yea... about 7 years ago (I was about 10 at the time) I decided it was a good idea to take my ball to my cousins that live a few miles from my house on my bike. Through the heavy traffic and woods and all it could not have turned out better. When I arrived at my cousins (they were having a pool party with all our relatives and friends) a few people freaked out but calmed down after a few seconds. When it was time to go home I hitched a ride with my mom. About half way there my mom asked me to get something in the swimming bag, with all our towels in it and stuff. for something she really did not need. I explained to her that I had a python in my hand which she obviously realized but just ignored me. After telling me a second and a third time I put balls (its name) on my lap and began searching through this maze of towels. To cut this boring story short it got between the seat, then under the seat, then up the seat. No... I did not over react and call the authorities and just decided to wait it out. Time went by and six weeks later my mom came to pick my friend and I up from the local YMCA (maybe 3 miles from our house). We both ran and called shotgun and to my dismay my friend won. Maybe .2 seconds later I hear "SNAKE! SNAKE!" and see my mother and my friend run a good distance from the car. Balls was sitting on the dashboard calmly. Picked it up, brought it home, fed it, and had a satisfying nights sleep the end.

Siri_Lin Sep 20, 2004 11:45 PM

Yep. I've a similar story. I was going to make a quick run to the pet store for fish food. I thought it'd be fun to take my biggest/mellowist ball python with me (I like scaring people). She normally stays wrapped around my neck. Well, I was driving for about 1 min and in that time she got up into my dashboard. She could get into the cab heater system, and thereby into the engine, and my engine runs a tad hot, so even the firewall might get too hot and burn her.

Two hours later, and after much panic, my boyfriend and I managed to disassemble my dashboard. We got her out, but had to gently back-pull her. Some of her scales got scuffed up. I gave her a good bath in warm water, made sure nothing was stuck under her roughed up scales, and put her to bed.

My car was towed to one of the shops I use. After asking about a dozen times if the snake was still in there, they rebuilt the dashboard. Of course I have "extra" parts. It cost me right about $200 even and took 3 hours to rebuild.

Lesson...never take a snake anywhere in the car unless it's in a carry case or bag. Never take a lizard in the car unless it's in it's harness or a box.

Octavia recovered just fine. Aside from the "extra" parts, the only odd thing on my car is that my stearing wheel is a little lower then it used to be.

Siriana

Coldthumb Sep 21, 2004 12:59 AM

"the only odd thing on my car is that my stearing wheel is a little lower then it used to be"

...lol

You may want to take a peek up under there,and make sure the u-shaped harnesses that hold the steering shaft in place are properly tightened.
...could make for a bad day .

Gotta love the spare parts,any new rattling noises ?
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3.12 Ball Pythons
0.1 Viper Boa
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Looking for 0.2 Phelsuma madagascariensis madagascariensis

famousbruce Sep 22, 2004 07:10 AM

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