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Hi there:

Yesterday I attended a local reptile show to get some vivariums, decor and supplies. There was some amazing stuff there!
Anyway, you wont believe this. I'm serious. At one table, there was a litter of captive-bred feeding Taiwan beauties for $10 each! That' amazing, isn't it?

DAVE

And you bought all of them correct?That would be termed big score in my book of resale.

Hi there:

I wish! I didn't have a good size cage for one... until today! The day after the show! Anyway, I am considering purchasing a beauty. How big do these guys get, and do they eat anything else besides rodents? (I would NEVER feed a snake any other herptile!) I still don't think I have enough room, but ther's nothing wrong with making "blueprints"!

DAVE

Where was the show?

Hi there:

Buffalo, NY

Shoot!!! I was hoping it was somewhere close to me! $10 Taiwans, I was going to buy the whole lot of them!

Hello,

Too bad you didn't buy those snakes. That price is amazing. You have to wonder if their wasn't something wrong with them considering most breeders don't sell them for less than about $50 or so. They are rodent eaters. They are BIG snakes as adults. Expect adult lengths to be anywhere from 6 to 9 feet in length.
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Matt Campbell
Animal Keeper, Small Mammal/Reptile House
Lincoln Park Zoo Chicago, Illinois

Assistant Curator
Wildlife Discovery Center at Elawa Farm
Lake Forest, Illinois

they could have been WC, right?

Hi there:

Yes, they could have been wild-caught. But of course, at a show you never know for sure.

DAVE

>>they could have been WC, right?

Though they 'shouldn't' have been as it was a Captive Bred Only show. Wish I had seen them.
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Sonya

Haven't we warned you about tampering with the structure of a chaotic system?
Mrs. Neutron

Grow to approx 8-9 feet. I have heard people keeping these in vertical cages since they love to climb so much. Thats what i'm planning on. I"m going to build one thats 3'x3'x6' with a lot of ledges and i'll use wooden dowels to create a huge climbing structure and silk leaves from micheals or the like to create cover. it's going to look nice whenever I get around to it. I have seen beauty snakes in the classifieds from $45 to $300. I'm getting a blue beauty - look at the different types you may find one you like a lot better.

some info i'll go ahead and caution you about. i've had people tell me that you need a hook to remove from the tank because they're such agressive feeders that they will always be thinking you're feeding them when you open the tank. as with any snake you have to remember it will grow it will eat a lot (larger rats) and they are expensive so make sure you'll have the money for this at least in the near future.

i've handled a full grown vietnamese beauty snake, 9 feet long, before - nothing i have ever handled is like it. i have been handling wild snakes just picking up moving etc for the past 2 years or so (gray rats, coachwhips, racers, marsh brown snakes, hognoses) and i've been keeping blacks and texas rats for the past 4 months or so and they are so different from anything i've ever handled before. the guy said this was "an extremly calm one"...however it is one of the more active of the captive bred snakes i've ever handled (and i've handled a lot of captive bred snakes in the past couple years also). So for me handling isnt the problem its more husbandry for the beauty.
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Current snakes:
0.1 Licorice Stick Black Rat (Lola)
1.0 Neonate Black Rat (het for Lic Stk's) (Frankie)
1.1 Texas Bairds (Jose and Rosa)

>>Hi there:
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>> Yesterday I attended a local reptile show to get some vivariums, decor and supplies. There was some amazing stuff there!
>> Anyway, you wont believe this. I'm serious. At one table, there was a litter of captive-bred feeding Taiwan beauties for $10 each! That' amazing, isn't it?
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>>DAVE

I was at that show and didn't see that! Who had them? I was vending and didn't get around the room much at the beginning. Not many rat snake enthusiasts. I had a Everglades het for hypo and a Greenish Rat both 02's from Dwight Good and neither sold. No one even asked to see them. Sold the BPs, Kenyans and Pyxie Frogs no problem though! Bit scary. Lots of newbies. Nice stuff from some of the folks there too.
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Sonya

Haven't we warned you about tampering with the structure of a chaotic system?
Mrs. Neutron

Hi there:

It was the person right near the entrance. I remember you. I have a Kenyan sand boa, and yours were just beautiful! I'm the one who kept asking about the roaches and living with giant millipedes. I'm amazed that none of those rat snakes sold! The greenish was amazing! I bought most of my stuff from Rainforest Creations.
By the way, do you live in the WNY area? And do you, or anyone else you know own an Argentine flame-bellied toadlet A.K.A. bumblebee toad A.K.A. Melanophryniscus Stelzneri? If you are interested in selling it, please let me know!

DAVE

OK, WELL if anyone is going to have $10 Asian Elaphe at the ALL OHIO show this saturday, I'm going so flag me down! haha! Black glasses and brown hair!

Hi there:

I don't know how much the beauties at the All Ohio Show are, but they do have them. I saw Indonesian beauties and a blue beauty. But I bet the ones there weren't $10! Finding those $10 Taiwans is almost as bizarre as spontaneous combustion!

DAVE
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DAVE

Western green toad
green treefrogs
green Anole
brown Anole
Oriental fire-bellied toads
American bullfrog
South American caecilian (Dermophis occidentalis)
Spanish ribbed newt
rough-skinned newt
golden Axolotl
Eastern ribbon snakes
red-cheeked mud turtles
dwarf peacock day gecko
Dubia day gecko
Sonoran gopher snake
rough green snakes
giant African black millipedes
White's treefrog
Okeetee corn snake
Albino African clawed frog
Pygmy leaf chameleon
Kenyan sand boa
Argentine flame-bellied toadlet
African bullfrog
yellow * Everglades rat snake intergrade
fire salamander

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>> It was the person right near the entrance. I remember you. I have a Kenyan sand boa, and yours were just beautiful! I'm the one who kept asking about the roaches and living with giant millipedes. I'm amazed that none of those rat snakes sold! The greenish was amazing! I bought most of my stuff from Rainforest Creations.
>> By the way, do you live in the WNY area? And do you, or anyone else you know own an Argentine flame-bellied toadlet A.K.A. bumblebee toad A.K.A. Melanophryniscus Stelzneri? If you are interested in selling it, please let me know!
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>>DAVE

Boy, I wish I had made the rounds more often!
Thanks for the compliment. I try to keep animals well. The ratsnakes actually went to the friend who split the table with me. He has a load of animals too. So, if my males dud out I can 'borrow' those back to use. Otherwise they will be doing programs with him. He took the adult BPs too. He gets asked A LOT what adult Balls look like so now he has examples. Otherwise the show worked well for me "thinning". My dh was hoping I would thin a bit so I can concentrate on the 'projects' I have. Other herps are TOO TEMPTING! I took home an Ackie with it's foot bitten off. But otherwise that was all the expansion. And the Ackie was a sympathy thing. So now I am LIMITED next year to breeding just the Greenish Rats (het for albino), Whitesided Everglades, Black Rats, Yellow Rats (breeding an albino to my normal girls) Viper Boas and the Children's Pythons again.
That is limited, right?
I am in Central Upstate, near Binghamton. 2.5 hours drive NW for us to that show. Don't see many frogs here. Some day I want to get some, but I am TRYING to limit!!
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Sonya

Haven't we warned you about tampering with the structure of a chaotic system?
Mrs. Neutron