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Ok I might be wrong but does anyone see a problem with 88% or better diamonds. I understand that some crosses are very nice looking but if you cant tell a cross by looking at it then you should not breed it. Why crossbreed an animal to make it look like something it is not. We already have an animal that looks like a pure diamond it's called a diamond. I dont think it's a good reason that breeding pure diamonds is too hard. Try harder or breed something else. This hlods true for all crosses not just diamonds if you breed 50 50 and can tell right away its a cross I guess its not harmful. I will never own a La. pinesnake because I would never know if it really was one. And I realy love pines. I dont want to come off as an ass but I'm not sure it's very responsable. I would like very much to hear feedback on this. Thanks, Fred.

I'm no expert, but until we have a system like the one used for dog breeding to keep track of animals used to breed, you will not be sure that that pure diamond you talk about is actually a pure diamond. There is also a chance that the diamond cought in the wild has some carpet in it anyway.Another problem I see at this immidiate time is availability of pure diamonds. I am presently looking for pure diamonds and have not found any at this time that anyone seems to want to sell. Also there is the monetary consideration. I don't know what your finances are like, but for me to put out $850 to $1600 for a pure diamond is not easy, and you can find a great looking cross for under $400.
I don't know if this helps, but thats how I see it anyway.
Greg D.

Greg, I am no expert either but I have done alot of homework and your is Point taken however if you did drop a grand on a diamond wouldn't you like to feel comfortable it was a diamond. I think untill now you didn't see high percent diamonds. I guess at this point it come down to trusting the breeder you deal with. My only concern is that some will misrepresent their animals and you really could't tell without dna. The animals that jim moore has are the first I have seen that are getting very close and if you went one more pure diamond in it would be almost impossible to tell. I do give him credit for honestly representing them but not everyone is honest. And it is now to the point that it makes it difficult for someone who wants pure to not be scared off like in the case of La pines. The animal you posted is quite nice and if you just want that look for a good price you got a bargain and I know diamonds are not rare in the wild but in the u.s. its tough. I do have three diamonds and do have a real love for the species they are great. I guess its like people that insist on locality versus look its a matter of what you are looking for. We just have a limited supply I would hate to see there be no pure animals of any kind in captivity. Also on the idea of natural hybrids to the best of my knowledge jungles and diamonds do not overlap.Coastals and diamonds do in a very small area. Alright I'm done thanks for your input I'm not a fanatic but for some reason with the diamonds it dosnt sit right with me I think they deserve better. Fred.

Fred,
..I think your opinions are noble but I think that they are based upon your belief that the Carpets and Diamonds we see for sale here in the US are mostly pure. I think that this species has already been messed up to the point where it is impossible to be sure about any of them. When I first started getting JCPs in 1993 they were already being crossed with Diamonds and many people claimed that many of them offered as pure JCPs were really crosses. I have owned four Diamonds and I "think" they were all pure but I really do not know for sure. 75% and 87.5% Diamonds have been produced and sold for several years and it is very likely that other ones have been passed off as pure Diamonds.
Jeff

>>Greg, I am no expert either but I have done alot of homework and your is Point taken however if you did drop a grand on a diamond wouldn't you like to feel comfortable it was a diamond. I think untill now you didn't see high percent diamonds. I guess at this point it come down to trusting the breeder you deal with. My only concern is that some will misrepresent their animals and you really could't tell without dna. The animals that jim moore has are the first I have seen that are getting very close and if you went one more pure diamond in it would be almost impossible to tell. I do give him credit for honestly representing them but not everyone is honest. And it is now to the point that it makes it difficult for someone who wants pure to not be scared off like in the case of La pines. The animal you posted is quite nice and if you just want that look for a good price you got a bargain and I know diamonds are not rare in the wild but in the u.s. its tough. I do have three diamonds and do have a real love for the species they are great. I guess its like people that insist on locality versus look its a matter of what you are looking for. We just have a limited supply I would hate to see there be no pure animals of any kind in captivity. Also on the idea of natural hybrids to the best of my knowledge jungles and diamonds do not overlap.Coastals and diamonds do in a very small area. Alright I'm done thanks for your input I'm not a fanatic but for some reason with the diamonds it dosnt sit right with me I think they deserve better. Fred.

Jeff, The only way to know for sure is to know where they came from so you have to trust your breeder and if he or she can track back far enough. Also since they are no longer exported it can be tough however there seems to be alot of austrailian reptiles bred that had not been for so long you have to wonder where all the monitors have come from lately. Fred.

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