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Well, frankly anything I need or am looking for. I have snakes on my "wish" list that have been there for 3 years now. Do people have the snakes I'm looking for, or am I going to have to invest on flying all around the world to catch them myself so that I can get them captive populations started...if that's so, anyone wish to sponsor me?

What are they!
Ophidiophile Farms

Well, I attempted to compile a list of snakes on my "wish list" earlier today...when the list got to be more than 40 snakes, I called it quits and decided to just mention the snakes that have done me the most injustice. As I've seen many of the others, just not at the right time, ie, no funds to spend. The others I'm listing I have seen once or twice, but only as wild caughts. Which means that by the time I get to them, the guys with king cobras get to them for feeders first! Anyway here are my top 10. I know I'll get this done and say...wait, I forgot this...or that...

1.) 1.1 Ptyas korrs or P. carinatus
2.) 1.0 G. oxcephala
3.) 0.1 G. janseni
4.) 1.0 C. radiata (t- or het)
5.) 1.1 C. flavolineata
6.) 1.1 C. helena (yellows)
7.) 1.1 E. moellendorffi (mostly a price issue)
8.) 0.0.1 Boiga fusca
9.) 0.0.1 B. cyeana (patterned)
10.) 1.1 Santa Cruz garters

I must agree with most snakes on that list including #1. I would love to work with some of the Ptyas group. I had 5 w.c. P. korros about 4 years ago but could only get one of them to eat anything. I had that guy for about a year until he died of a respiratory ailment. They are very interesting snakes. They ae definitely related to the racers!! They are very alert (constantly watch any movement around them) and they huge eyes are WILD looking!. I guess the rest of my list would be:
1. moellendorffi (c.b.)
2. erythura
3. prasina
4. striped situla
5. the axanthic B. rosaliea I saw in a picture that looked like it was blue!

Anyway, good luck to us all in completeing our lists! Take care. Derek

Erythura...thanks for reminding me..Just kidding. I like these too, but they come in at like 11 right now. Don't get me wrong, if I find em, I'll get them too!

Anyway here are my top 10. I know I'll get this done and say...wait, I forgot this...or that...
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>>1.) 1.1 Ptyas korrs or P. carinatus

These (P. korros) definitely come in from time to time. I've even seen albinos for sale!

>>2.) 1.0 G. oxcephala

I have personally seen 2 male c.b. G. oxycephala hatchlings for sale in Denver in the last 6 months. They were pretty inexpensive too (~$75).

>>3.) 0.1 G. janseni

The Denver Zoo produced 3 clutches of hatchlings this year from 1 female (black phase). Not sure if the babies have made it to the wider market yet but I'm sure they're not keeping all 40-something baby janseni so they probably will!

>>4.) 1.0 C. radiata (t- or het)

Definitely seen these around in the last couple of years but sporadically. For whatever reason, the recent ones have been mostly females but given how quickly they grow and breed you could produce hets and then T- animals from 1 female in 3 years easily

>>5.) 1.1 C. flavolineata

It's been a while since any w.c. have come in but you can get the Indonesian variety (can you say drab and ugly?) from Herpafauna Indonesia for about $20 each. I imported them in '96 (my first and last stab at importation). What was REALLY nice that I brought in back then were E. subradiata from Roti Island - I'd love to get my hands on those again - if they were healthy - these came in in terrible condition. Oh back on subject - There is a guy in Florida that I know who has a pair of the yellow-striped Malaysian flavos and has bred them. Not sure if he did this year.

>>6.) 1.1 C. helena (yellows)

You mean yellow as in the one pictured in the Staszko & Walls Ratsnake book? Concensus among several of us ratsnake types (including the late Lloyd Lemke) is that it's a doctored photo.

>>7.) 1.1 E. moellendorffi (mostly a price issue)

I acquired a c.b. pair last year from Kamuron and mine was not the only pair he had so they're around. But I'll definitely give you a nod on the price issue - they weren't cheap.

>>8.) 0.0.1 Boiga fusca
>>9.) 0.0.1 B. cyeana (patterned)

I'm not a Boiga guy so I don't know about these cats (except for the fun of photographing and catching B. irregularis in Papua New Guinea)

>>10.) 1.1 Santa Cruz garters

Hmmm, thought I saw a pair for sale either on kingsnake or [bleep] about a week ago, but I could be mistaken!

Overall, very cool list. I bet given enough time, attention to the classifieds, and of course money (!) you'll acquire everything on your list.

GOOD LUCK!
Ophidiophile Farms

Hey guys, I actually picked up a pair of the flavs from the guy in FL. (name is escaping me right now). These are the nicer yellow Malaysian ones and have keep some nice color on them. Most of them are like David said really drab. The nices ones have a beautiful yellow stripe down the back. They are very similar to radiata and rear-up at every given chance but it's all for show.

I too did have some beautiful subradiata from Roti and agree again with David that they were real cool animals while they lasted. They were in bad shape also. It's too bad no one ever established any c.b. animals.

Anyhow, I'll try to get some new pics of the flavs up. Hoping to breed them next year.

----glenn n nancy

Well, the deal with the Ptyas species is that like I said...they disappear fast, along with imported Flav's and Subradiata, is that they go to the Cobra guys right off the bat. I had some lined up through Ray Hunter last year, but when I went to send him the money the next day, a Ophiophagus hannah owner had cleaned him out the night before for feedersnakes! Just kinda sucks that everytime I get that close, they slip away. That time I was supposed to be getting my G. oxcephala male, a pair of P. korros, and a pair of C. flavolineata. Three big ones on my list, should they have survived, would have been knocked off my list. And I'm glad those others are in Denver, as I'm in NC and don't have a lot of contacts and/or travel money...maybe they can bring the Denver Zoo to NC? Hmmmm...not likely eh? lol

you mentioned on an earlier thread on this forum? Seems you needed a few single males or females for mates and a few pairs of other snakes you'd like to have and work with. I didn't see anything on that list that was unattainable or a breeder couldn't be found. I have a wish list too. I work on it a few at a time and if something on the list comes up that is available. Name some of the snakes on the list Conrad. Let's start with the ones that have been on the list the longest. Let's get that frustration (you seem frustrated it's been 3 years)out of the way.

>>Well, frankly anything I need or am looking for. I have snakes on my "wish" list that have been there for 3 years now. Do people have the snakes I'm looking for, or am I going to have to invest on flying all around the world to catch them myself so that I can get them captive populations started...if that's so, anyone wish to sponsor me?

As far as ratsnakes go, here's what I'm looking for...

1. Aesculipian ratsnakes
2. Elaphe longissima
3. ratsnakes from europe that aren't leopards or ladders or four-lined

That about sums it up...

(I'm sure I'm missing some european ratsnakes there, but you get the idea)

1. The Persian form which is a very small ratsnake...

2. One of the island forms from the eastern Mediterranean...

3. The Southern form, longissima romana...

4. or the nominate form, longissima longissima??

Good luck finding them

I didn't even know there were subspecies, my ratsnake book calls them 'drab' and doesn't go into it. I'd probably most prefer the nominate unless one of the other ones are prettier.
The rest of my wish list is:

Somalia locality Kenyan sand boas
Tanzanian locality Kenyan sand boas

I actually have some Tanzanian stock, but what am I supposed to do with three related animals? Oh, the injustice.
Oh yeah, and I have one Javelin sand boa. I've never seen any others for sale. Stupid European snakes!

>>The rest of my wish list is:
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>>Tanzanian locality Kenyan sand boas
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>>I actually have some Tanzanian stock, but what am I supposed to do with three related animals? Oh, the injustice.

Approximately 90% of all "Kenyan" sand boas in the United States are descended from stock originally imported from Tanzania. I researched this while writing my article (I think it's 1996) on the Reproductive Husbandry of East African Sand Boas for (the now defunct) Reptile & Amphibian Magazine.

1. North Vietnamese, Mandarin Ratsnake, Euprepiophis mandarina.

2. Sichuan, Mandarin Ratsnake, E. mandarina.

3. Tsushima Island, Japanese Forest Ratsnake, E. conspicillata.

4. Cheju Island, South Korean Dione's Ratsnake, Elaphe dione.

5. Santa Rita Mtns, AZ Mountain Kingsnake, Lampropeltis p. pyromelana.

I could name a few more, but I don't want to sound greety, haha

TC.

I have never heard of that locale before...

Regards,

Bert Grit
Holland

Hi, Bert. I'm going mostly by a photo in Schulz' monograph, plate 56(b). It has an unusual, and very pretty pattern for a conspicillata. The location is very interesting too. Tsushima is near the island of Cheju in the Korean Straits. Cheju has dione, Tsushima has conspicillata. Also, the ecology for this locale could prove to be the most intriguing thing. Conspics are usually montane and very cool adapted. An island form, nearly subtropical, gives this species quite a range.

Take care, and drop in once in awhile.

Terry

Hi Terry,

I looked up the photo you mentioned. That specimen certainly has a interesting pattern for conspicillata. Personally, I like the red conspicillata with black pattern (like the ones you have from Rex) best. They are defenitely on my wishlist.

Regards,

Bert

Does anyone breed the conspicillata over there in Europe?

BTW, there is a "red phase" conspicillata also, in the northern most parts of its range. It used to be called "japonica."

Here's a couple photos that are more recent. They are almost two yr. old snakes now. Hope ya' like.

TC.

Terry:

I always get a kick when you post pics of your conspicillata. They are real jewels. And I envy you!!

I know the patterns and colors can fade with time but at two years old yours seem quite vivid. What's your assessment of any changes in their appearance. And what did the adults look like that produced them? I wonder if Rex would publish current photos of them on his and Sacha's site?

John

John,

They do have pictures of the adults on their site (ratsnakes.com?)

I think mine have dulled a little in the first two yrs, but not much. I think they probably have two more years to go before I'll chance breeding them. We'll see what happens with the adult coloration.

Are you on Rex's list? Later,

Terry

Hi Terry:

No I'm not on his list yet. But conspicillata are definitely high on my wish list.

Regards
John

Hi Terry,

Thank you for the new pics! Gorgeous little snakes, and they still look sharp at almost two years old!

I promise you: once I will own this species...

I believe that Schulz breeds them? I haven't seen them being offered yet, though. The 'newest' ratsnake species to be found on the market here is probably E. p. coxi. Oh boy, are these gorgeous! I will own these also someday!

Right now I'm (still) waiting for the Sichuans. Can't wait to receive these guys... (someday?)

I think that I speak for all of us regular forum visitors (I almost never post here, but I visit the forum almost on a daily basis) when I say: keep those pictures comin' Terry! We're still waiting for a full body shot from your moellendorffi... :-P

Regards,

Bert

Thanks, Bert. I'll have to work on that moellendorffi picture.

You're still waiting for your Mandarins. I can't believe it. I wish you all the luck.

I'll try to get some more pics. I have a little more time now that it's summer.

Later, TC.

Hi Terry,

Thank you for the new pics! Gorgeous little snakes, and they still look sharp at almost two years old!

I promise you: once I will own this species...

I believe that Schulz breeds them? I haven't seen them being offered yet, though. The 'newest' ratsnake species to be found on the market here is probably E. p. coxi. Oh boy, are these gorgeous! I will own these also someday!

Right now I'm (still) waiting for the Sichuans. Can't wait to receive these guys... (someday?)

I think that I speak for all of us regular forum visitors (I almost never post here, but I visit the forum almost on a daily basis) when I say: keep those pictures comin' Terry! We're still waiting for a full body shot from your moellendorffi... :-P

Regards,

Bert