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follow up question for John E on incubation techniques...

JW Sep 23, 2004 10:31 PM

Hi John,

I was reading below where you talked about incubation of Collared eggs using Perlite. Here is your paragraph for reference:

For the egg box used in incubation, I use Perlite as a medium. I started using Perlite, because I can't find Vermiculite around here anymore. I put about 3" of Perlite into a deli-cup container. I add water until it is all moist. The material is quite different from Vermiculite, as it will not feel very soft/wet. The best feature of the product, is you will be able to see cleary the water level in the deli-cup. I wet it evenly, then keep the water level at least 1" below the bottom of the eggs. You can then watch the level, and add more water as needed. Very cool feature. Hope this helps you out.

John Eddington

So from the sound of this...you are using a clear deli cup where you can actually see the level of water in the cup from the side? I've never heard of that. And the eggs just sit on top of the perlite and don't get too wet? I've used perlite to incubate gecko eggs, monitor eggs, chameleon eggs, and now collared eggs...all with varying degrees of success. But I've always followed a very strict weight measurement in mixing the perlite with water and then basically sealing the container accept for a couple pin holes. From your description, is sounds like you literally pour water into the mixture and you can see it pool near the bottom of the cup. This sounds like it would be too humid for, especially for collared eggs...but you've really got my attention with this technique, because I've never heard of it before. I do know that perlite feels dry to the touch, even when I've carefully measured the water and mixed it. I would assume you've been succesful hatching collared eggs then if you are suggesting this?

That would be very cool indeed, because I find it difficult too keep eggs from drying out, especially when they have to be incubated for 7 months at higher temps, like some chameleon and monitor species.

Jason

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Johne Sep 24, 2004 08:54 AM

Last year, and the year before, I used Perlite as an incubation medium. I used a small (butter dish, size) clear deli cup. I'd say they are about 3" deep. I get all the Perlite wet first, then slowly add water, until I can see that the level is about 1" from the bottom of the cup...the surface Perlite always stays moist, and I only add water when I can no longer see it on the bottom. My hatch rate was very good. I also used a large vent hole, rather than tiny pin-size holes. A single hole in the lid about the size of a nickel, and then I simply rest the lid on the bowl, I did not seal it down completely. Unfortunately, I did not try to take any measurements of Perlite, or waterweight. You'll have to listen to the pro's on the dickersonae eggs though..I have no experience with them.

One thing I noticed about all my eggs that were incubated on Perlite...they would all turn an odd color; sort of a light yellowish brown. Made no difference.

Below is the head pipping from an eastern collared lizard. Born with a nice orange head.

Enjoy and good luck,

John

CollardGuy Sep 24, 2004 05:17 PM

Thats an awesome baby. I bet thats what Chico looked like, cause he's so little, but colorful too.
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JW Sep 25, 2004 12:53 AM

good stuff. I wouldn't have guessed you could incubate lizard eggs that way, especially collareds with their preference for a drier climate, but since you've been succesful with it, I like it. I've had tough times in the past with keeping my little lizard eggs from drying out...especially when they don't have the same mass as big snake eggs. Maybe this will be a good alternative method. I did notice you give the lid plenty of ventilation for moisture to escape which I think is key. My pinholes method on the lid wouldn't work with that much water.

jason

johne Sep 25, 2004 09:17 AM

I wish you luck with this method, and I hope you keep us posted on the results.

John Eddington

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