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Who is breeding the non Arizoa green rat locales? I am really interested in some 03 hatchlings. They should be breeding now, at least they are breeding here in the southern mountains in arizona. If you guys know anyone who is breeding them please let me know. Also pics would be nice...

Thanks
Luke
Ra Reptile

Who is breeding the non Arizoa green rat locales? I am really interested in some 03 hatchlings. They should be breeding now, at least they are breeding here in the southern mountains in arizona. If you guys know anyone who is breeding them please let me know. Also pics would be nice...

Thanks
Luke
Ra Reptile

Not many folks seem to be interested in green rats these days, at least not by the number of posts on this forum. I assume you mean Senticolis triaspis intermedia. Most of the herpers I know of that keep green rats are from Arizona. Ophidiophile (on this forum) keeps a subspecies of triaspis that is from Central America and is colored in browns and yellows. Can't remember the subspecies name. The main person I know of that keeps green rats from n. Mexico is Alan Kardon from the San Antonio Zoo. I had a pair from him one time, but accidently killed my female and now only have a male. The picture is of an immature intermedia from Chihuahua, Mex. There is a small population of green rats in New Mexico, but it is a protected species in that state, and I've never heard of any comming from there anyway.

TC.

green rat

This is the juvenile triaspis from Chihuahua, Mexico.

This is an adult from the Chiricahua Mtns, Arizona. I don't have a photo available of a Mexican adult.

>>Who is breeding the non Arizoa green rat locales?

This is Senticolis triaspis mutabilis - Central American "Green" Rat Snake - but as you can see they have reddish browns and yellows going on rather than greens. Unfortunately I won't have any babies available this year.

Ophidiophile Farms

Are their any other names for the "green" ratsnake...seeing as they really aren't green? lol The only local I've heard of being nearly "green" are the Arizona local. Hmmmm...

>>Are their any other names for the "green" ratsnake...seeing as they really aren't green? lol The only local I've heard of being nearly "green" are the Arizona local. Hmmmm...

I agree wholeheartedly. It seems silly to call the non-green Senticolis "Green" Ratsnakes! (Of course I've always thought it silly that in the early 80's they started calling Ceratophrys "Pacman Frogs"!) I could call them Central American Ratsnakes but people would probably think they were flavirufa pardalina. So I've stuck with "green" and put it in quotation marks. Bottom line -- it's a lot easier, more accurate and most of the time a lot less silly to just use the latin scientific name.
Ophidiophile Farms

That's why we have scientific names in the first place, to be exact. Like an Black ratsnake, is a black snake, and a chicken snake...all depending on your location, but it will only have one scientific name, unless of course, like recently, they reclassify them...ie, American elaphe>Pantherophis.

I have found quite a few DOR in eastern SLP in the foothills of the Sierra Madre (one of the commoner DORs I see there). These snakes are as green as most AZ snakes. They might be a tad darker olive green, but they are still green snakes, not just "greenish".

I have a slide of a posed DOR around somewhere. I will see if I have a scanned copy.

I don't think you get into the brown ones until you get down close to the isthmus.
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Chris Harrison

I'm thinking of a snake that looks like Elaphe prasina, E. frenata, Gonyosoma oxcephala, Oxybelus fuldigius, Leptophis ahaetulla, Ahaetulla prasina...I could go on, but you get my picture... I know they can be rather green, but not GREEN. I think I'll call them the "Not as green as other green snakes" ratsnake. lol

Luke,

You may want to contact Andrew Godambe, I think he still has a site listed along with the other kingnsnake.com breeders. I met him in Texas this year and talked with him for a few minutes. He used to work with Green Rats from Northern Mexico. They came from a line of animals that were from a Zoo if I remember right. I beleive he sold them, but he should know who he sold them too and may even know others who are breeding/keeping them. I don't know of anyone who keeps triaspis from NM.