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The female in the upper right corner is quickly becoming one of my favorites. Thanks Pete.

She is unrelated to the males and was from a jungle X "pastel" pairing according to the breeder.

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

I got all three from Pete. The female is clean, crisp, and light. The males are from the same litter and the female is from an unrelated litter. I will finally have a project worth while to prover out this probable supersalmon who is the mother of the F4 salmons below.

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Thanks and take care - Joe Rollo
'Tis not the stongest of the species that will eventually survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change' Charles Darwin

the guys from herps limited had her .. amazing lookin animal !! if i didnt know better id say they were twins !! awsome boas !!
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NO BEAUTY LIKE THE BEAUTY OF A TRUE REDTAIL !!

how are these Jungles ? What defines a "Jungle" ? Please inform me. I didn't know. Real lookers btw. Help
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Voices in the darkness... scream away my mental health. Can I.. ask a question.. to help save me from myself? Enemies fill up the pages, are they me?... Monday till Sunday in stages, set me free!!! " Diary of a Madman " Ozzy Osbourne

I am new to jungles so other than this info I think your best bet is to contact Pete Kahl since he is the one who brought this bloodline to the U.S.

The Jungle gene causes pattern aberrancies and enhanced color. Just as in hypos the offspring will have different "looks". Typically, the more aberrant the offspring the more expensive it will be. I have been told that the gene works in a somewhat random fashion. What I mean by this is a "normal" looking jungle will produce some offspring carrying the jungle gene that fully striped, some partially striped, and some normal looking jungles. The trait is passed in a co-dominant fashion which is the same way as in hypos. The mutation appears in approximately 50% of the next generation when bred to a non-Jungle animal. When two jungles are bred together a small percentage of the offspring will be super jungles. Super Jungles will pass the trait to 100% of the offspring when bred to a non-Jungle animal.
There are allot of striped bloodlines out there that appear similar to jungles as neonates however as they begin to grow and mature the difference in the bloodlines becomes extremely apparent. In my opinion if there is ever a time to go with a reputable breeder as a source it is with jungles. There are only a few people out there that have produced jungles that I know of. Jungles are fairly expensive and it would be very easy to scam an uninformed buyer. I would never buy a jungle that I was not able to trace back to the original Swedish bloodline through paperwork. Hope this helps.

I'm glad you asked that question, I've been meaning to say something about this for awhile. We all had a good laugh over Bill Cagles "American Jungles". Which in my opinion, look just as much like jungles as the Jungles that Pete was selling last month. When Bill came out with his boas that clearly had the abnormal pattern(not the supers, of course)of a Jungle, the tendency for the players of this forum to flame someone got so far out of hand that Bill rarely posts here anymore. Yet, when someone who's been in the limelight longer, like Pete, sells boas that are identical(albeit from a known line), nobody says squat. They even say that Pete's Jungles they are awesome, and not normals. I think that the members of this forum made a embarassment of the issue- and owe Bill Cagle an apologie. If you think that the Cungle affair was well founded, clearly your hypocracy knows no bounds.
Later-
Matt Schubarth
Pet Nebula
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Missoula, Montana 59801
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But not for much dang longer!Eric[Hypoboa]

The main issue and difference between the animals Cagle was labeling as Jungles and the JUNGLES that Pete has is simple.. Cagles animals are not proven jungles, are not from the jungle line and are no way attached to actual jungles.. Where as Pete's animals that ARE jungles are from the actual genetic line. Cagle could avoid being "bashed" regarding that topic if he bred his Cungles to actual jungles and showed they were genetically compatible. Until that time they are in no way a jungle..

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Randall L Turner Jr.
www.aircapitalconstrictors.com

I have to admit that I show my female off alot trying to get opinions an all on my female!An in the end it comes down to what Randy just said,The abberencies have to be proven!Their is so many things like temp fluctuation an what not that can cause these abberencies an no matter which one of us dont like it we have to prove it!An believe me I am working on it as we speak with my pastel male!An when it proves out like myself an a few others believe that its going to Ill be the happiest poor boy on the forum!Thanks for listening to me vent an Thanks To Randy for trying to clear it up!Eric[Hypoboa]

Actually matt lets be real here ok. nobody "flamed" (as you put it) bill until long after he was asked to show his reason for calling his animals jungles( which bye the way look a whole lot more to your scarlets than they do to the real jungles)he didnt start getting "flamed" (as you put it) until long after he became beligerant. sdi's jungles look absaloutly nothing like bills animals nor does anyone elses who own animals from the swedish jungle line. while there are animals out there that do look alot like them , the cungles dont even come close but its nice of you to come up hear and attempt to defend your mentor. you guys have alot in common you both sobadly want to see your names up in lights that you guys hastily run out and see genetic traits in wild type animals. if anyone owes bill an apoliogy its bill he is the one who muddied up his own name noone else (same as you and mike). if someone thinks they have a new trait breed it prove it THEN OUTCROSS IT AND PROVE IT AGAIN! That way if there is someone that has something to say its real easy to shut them up. you should go to the other sight and look up your hero capt cungle it was not just the cungle issue that muddied up his name it was his all around shadey business practices so you can go be a cungeleer if you like but believe me its not a club you want to be associated with
"nuff said"
John Peraza

Well, Bill never posted here that often to begin with. Aside from that, most of us know what the deal is with the Jungles. YES, there are some animals that are "similar" and some that are even more abberant than Jungles. A huge difference is in the genetics...if your willing to take an abberant animal from unproven lines(which Bill NEVER provided background info proving anything genetic...) as Jungles, I have 1.3 ABBERANT boas I'll sell you right now at Jungle prices and you can do with them as you like. Heck, I'll give you a discount...8,000 for all four and 1.1 are ready to breed. Drop me an e-mail for info on where to send the check! (LOL, sarcasm folks, not a classified ad) For someone that tried to RIP on Jason and myself on the genetics of our dumerils, I find it truly funny to see you here defending Bill along with his misrepresentation of Jungles...aka Cungles! As I recall Bill wanted a couple grand for some abberant animals from UNPROVEN lines. I'll look forward to your subsequent attack on him! Still laughing....take care!

Paul

oh you missed the good stuff over the weekend paul lets just say that someone showed they had real big brass ones by posting a normal wildtype animal bathed in red lighting and was claiming it to be genetic thats all i'll say on that but i will ad that this has been one very entertaining weekend sitting in front of the computer

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Voices in the darkness... scream away my mental health. Can I.. ask a question.. to help save me from myself? Enemies fill up the pages, are they me?... Monday till Sunday in stages, set me free!!! " Diary of a Madman " Ozzy Osbourne

Does anyone know if Chameleon Condo hasa breeding pairs of TRUE Swedish line Jungles ?

They have been advertising on a classifieds and selling Jungle Boas for $200-$1000 with the promise they will produce jungles. I just want to knowi have sent a few emails asking for some gentic background on the parents and pics and who they came from but for some reason since i think Friday night i havent got a reply ? i just really would like to have someone say yes they have real jungles before they are all gone

sarcasim goes here
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Buisnesses come and go everyday, what keeps you here is how you treated the customer the day before....My Boa Can Kick Your Boas _ss!www.cheapcages.com
Visit the new website while the Jungle gets made over.

......and he probably will NOT answer your e-mails.
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'Specializing in True RedTails & Designer Boa Morphs'

I wasnt going to buy any i just wanted to hear someone tell a good lie , i have a better looking of unproven abberant stripes myself lol .Not sayingthe stripes on some aint nice but for them to say there jungles is IMO assnine to do and surely will have som pissed ppl in a few yrs .

Now i lost you number can you email me with it i wanna talk to you aboutthese salmontinesi got from ya last summer have a few ?'s to ask your opinion on thanks man
TTYL
Alan
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Buisnesses come and go everyday, what keeps you here is how you treated the customer the day before....My Boa Can Kick Your Boas _ss!www.cheapcages.com
Visit the new website while the Jungle gets made over.

This was taken outside.. so no funny business.

If you recall it had the kink just past the head. YUP! It was flawed, but alive none the less. And what you had referred to as pignosed is a piece of shed that didn't come off post birth...little dried, look at the pic better and you'll see what I'm talking about. You can see the shed and the kink in the same pic. Gotta run, take care!

Paul

BLAH BLAH BLAH MAYBE THEY SHOULD TRADE IN THIER HYPO DUMERIL PROJECT FOR YOUR SCARLET ER PYRO ER RED PHASE CUNGLE PROJECT
SNIKER SNIKER SNIKER

nm

Sweet looking boa's!They should definatley produce some awsome looking babies!Stinks having to wait 3 years for the female though!Thanks for sharing the pics!Thanks Eric![Hypoboa]

np

I have seen alot of jungles posted and I would just like to know what to look for when it is called a jungle. Is there a distinction that is noticable in all? By the way SDI, those are some sweet looking snakes! Thanks Andy Federico

The Jungle gene causes pattern aberrancies and enhanced color. Just as in hypos the offspring will have different "looks". Typically, the more aberrant the offspring the more expensive it will be. I have been told that the gene works in a somewhat random fashion. What I mean by this is a "normal" looking jungle will produce some offspring carrying the jungle gene that fully striped, some partially striped, and some normal looking jungles. The trait is passed in a co-dominant fashion which is the same way as in hypos. The mutation appears in approximately 50% of the next generation when bred to a non-Jungle animal. When two jungles are bred together a small percentage of the offspring will be super jungles. Super Jungles will pass the trait to 100% of the offspring when bred to a non-Jungle animal.
There are allot of striped bloodlines out there that appear similar to jungles as neonates however as they begin to grow and mature the difference in the bloodlines becomes extremely apparent. In my opinion if there is ever a time to go with a reputable breeder as a source it is with jungles. There are only a few people out there that have produced jungles that I know of. Jungles are fairly expensive and it would be very easy to scam an uninformed buyer. I would never buy a jungle that I was not able to trace back to the original Swedish bloodline through paperwork. Hope this helps.

Wow, these are incredible

regards from the netherlands
Nico