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Photographing Young Indigos?

ttreptile1 Sep 27, 2004 11:48 AM

Ok, I have been trying to get photos of my new 04 pair since I got them. Is it just me or are they all squirmy and faster than grease lightning? I can not get a clear shot of them to save my life. They are as bad as or worse than my 2 year old. I guess I am way to used to my big dopey pythons, lol.

I tried a 10 Gallon tank on its side with bark and nice plantings for a natural looking photo, but "Jet" my male jets right out upon contact. Like chasing a greased pig around my snake room. The female is about the same, but calms down more when held.

Any tips from the pros on how to get shots of these wirey little buggers? Maybe slip some Nyquil in their water, lol !!! kiddn!!!

Any helpful hints would be awesome!

One of the few shots of my female that didn't come out blurry as all hell:

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Replies (8)

oldherper Sep 27, 2004 12:12 PM

>>Ok, I have been trying to get photos of my new 04 pair since I got them. Is it just me or are they all squirmy and faster than grease lightning? I can not get a clear shot of them to save my life. They are as bad as or worse than my 2 year old. I guess I am way to used to my big dopey pythons, lol.
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>>I tried a 10 Gallon tank on its side with bark and nice plantings for a natural looking photo, but "Jet" my male jets right out upon contact. Like chasing a greased pig around my snake room. The female is about the same, but calms down more when held.
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>>Any tips from the pros on how to get shots of these wirey little buggers? Maybe slip some Nyquil in their water, lol !!! kiddn!!!
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>>Any helpful hints would be awesome!
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>>One of the few shots of my female that didn't come out blurry as all hell:

I have a "stage" that I built out of plywood and painted white (to bounce flash). It is 36"x24" and has walls on the back and sides that are 16" high. I build my settings in it and then I can photograph the animals in "natural" settings. I use 3 flashes arranged for top and side-lighting and front fill-flash, being careful to keep the shadows consistent so that I can simulate a sunlit situation as much as possible.

To keep them under control, I place the snake in the setting and then put a white deli cup over him and give him time to settle down. I prefocus the camera on the area that is occupied by the snake and deli cup using the smallest aperture possible to give the greatest possible depth-of-field. Meanwhile, I make sure that the flashes are ready and the camera is ready. Then I lift the deli cup and rip off as many shots as I can before he figures out what's going on and dashes. Sometimes I have to go through this routine 4 or 5 times (or more) before I get an acceptable shot. Here are a couple of samples:

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ttreptile1 Sep 27, 2004 12:17 PM

I love the deli cup idea. I will give that a try. Its one of those "why didn't I think of that" deals. I may also have to build a platform. Thanks again!

TT
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0.1 Amazon Tree Boa
0.1 Mexican Black Kingsnake

AZRaptor Sep 27, 2004 08:03 PM

Nice shots oldherper, especially the upclose 2nd shot. What kind of camera gear are you using?
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oldherper Sep 27, 2004 08:37 PM

>>Nice shots oldherper, especially the upclose 2nd shot. What kind of camera gear are you using?
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>>0 of 3 goals complete, but all in good time.
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>>- Eastern Indigo
>>- Redtail Hawk
>>- Neopolitan Mastiff

Thanks! Those particular shots were all done with a Canon 10D (digital SLR), Tamron f2.8 90mm Macro lens, Canon 550EX flash (master and fill), Canon 420EX flash (slave sidelight), studio stobe/umbrella (slave toplight). Post-processing was done in Photoshop CS.
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AZRaptor Sep 28, 2004 02:15 AM

Ahh, I wondered if it was a dSLR. I just picked up a Nikon D70 with the 17-70mm lens. I'm planning on picking up a good 1:1 macro lens and am looking at a 60mm or 105mm. I'm a bit concerned the 60mm might need me to get too close to get the picture before he/she scoots off.

Of course, I still need to get my indigo.
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oldherper Sep 28, 2004 06:44 AM

>>Ahh, I wondered if it was a dSLR. I just picked up a Nikon D70 with the 17-70mm lens. I'm planning on picking up a good 1:1 macro lens and am looking at a 60mm or 105mm. I'm a bit concerned the 60mm might need me to get too close to get the picture before he/she scoots off.
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>>Of course, I still need to get my indigo.
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>>0 of 3 goals complete, but all in good time.
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>>- Eastern Indigo
>>- Redtail Hawk
>>- Neopolitan Mastiff

Yeah, the longer macros (90mm and up) are MUCH better for this kind of photography. They let you stay out of the animal's "fight or flight" space. Also, remember that most of the DSLRs have an image sensor that is smaller than a frame of 35mm film, but use 35mm lenses. That results in a "cropping factor" that increases the effective focal length of the lens. My Canon has a cropping factor of 1.6, so a 100mm lens actually ends up being the equivalent of a 160mm lens. That also increases your working distance from the subject by the same amount. That's a great windfall benefit when you are working with telephoto, my 500mm f4.5 becomes an 800mm f4.5. However, it hurts you on the wide-angle end. A 28mm becomes a 46mm...not wide-angle anymore. So, you have to get down to around 16 or 17mm to get your wide-angle capability back.
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AZRaptor Sep 28, 2004 09:17 AM

Yeah the Nikon D70 is a 1.5 ratio so my 17-70mm acts as a 28-105mm. Of course this being the case that would make the Nikkor 60mm an effective 90mm and the 100mm an effective 150mm.

I've been looking at a 70-300mm Nikkor lens for my distance shooting, but saw many recommendations for an older 70-210mm lens that had better glass/construction.

I don't think my hand is steady enough for shooting the long distances without a tripod yet anyways, so it's probably a moot discussion.
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- Eastern Indigo
- Redtail Hawk
- Neopolitan Mastiff

oldherper Sep 28, 2004 09:52 AM

>>Yeah the Nikon D70 is a 1.5 ratio so my 17-70mm acts as a 28-105mm. Of course this being the case that would make the Nikkor 60mm an effective 90mm and the 100mm an effective 150mm.
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>>I've been looking at a 70-300mm Nikkor lens for my distance shooting, but saw many recommendations for an older 70-210mm lens that had better glass/construction.
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>>I don't think my hand is steady enough for shooting the long distances without a tripod yet anyways, so it's probably a moot discussion.
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>>0 of 3 goals complete, but all in good time.
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>>- Eastern Indigo
>>- Redtail Hawk
>>- Neopolitan Mastiff

Well, I use a tripod and remote release whenever I possibly can. Trying to use a tripod without a remote release defeats the tripod, by the way.

It's not just telephoto that requires using a tripod. Anytime you are magnifying the image (such as with Macro or Tele), the vibrations and camera shake are magnified right along with the image. It is critical to use a tripod and cable release any time you are magnifying the image to any appreciable degree.

The "Rule of Thumb" for hand-held shots is that you need to use a shutter speed equal to or greater than the focal length of the lens. So, if you are shooting with a 50mm lens, then you can get away with hand-held shots at 1/60 or faster. That's easy to accomplish. On the other hand, if you are using a 500mm lens, then you would need a shutter speed of 1/500 or faster. Due to the fact that these lenses are slower than normal lenses, usually around f6.5 or higher, those shutter speeds are normally not possible (especially if you want useable DOF). You can buy faster long lenses, but they are insanely large and expensive. The aperture value is a ratio of the size of the aperture opening to the focal length of the lens, so f8 would be a ratio of 1:8, meaning that if the lens is 80mm, the aperture is 10mm. So, you can see that for a 500 mm lens, to acheive a maximum aperture of f2, the aperture opening would have to be 250mm across. That results in an enormous (and heavy) front lens element. The more glass, the heavier and more expensive the lens.

When you buy a tripod, don't skimp. You will quickly find out that cheap tripods aren't as stable and the heads aren't as secure and easy to adjust as better tripods. Bogen and Gitzo make good tripods. For general use I like Bogen tripods and Arca-Swiss ball heads, for wildlife I like Arca gimbal heads. However, that results in a relatively expensive combination ($800.00 or more). You can do just as well with one of the Bogen higher-end tilt/pan or ball heads for less than half the price of Arca.

I also buy cameras that have a mirror lockup feature. One of the problems that you encounter with Macrophotography is vibration induced by mirror slap. When you press the shutter release, a number of things happen in sequence:
1. The final metering is done (in auto modes)
2. The aperture is stopped down to the chosen setting
3. The mirror flops up out of the way (that's why the finder goes black)
4. The shutter fires
5. The mirror returns to it's normal position
6. The aperture returns to "wide-open".

In step 3 the action of the mirror flopping up against it's stops induces some vibration which will be magnified in the image. Locking the mirror up and allowing the vibrations to settle down before releasing the shutter eliminates that problem.
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