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Interesting pic here.
This is not a OBK but a F2 result from my hypo brooksi to eastern king breeding. What is strange is the F1 generation are ALL high reds. Then they produce something like this with NO red or yellows. Weird!
I think this is interesting because the Peninsular florida king is basically the same as the brooksXeastern and then they produce what we find in Outer Banks area. Anyone follow me on this?

>>Interesting pic here.
>>This is not a OBK but a F2 result from my hypo brooksi to eastern king breeding. What is strange is the F1 generation are ALL high reds. Then they produce something like this with NO red or yellows. Weird!
>>I think this is interesting because the Peninsular florida king is basically the same as the brooksXeastern and then they produce what we find in Outer Banks area. Anyone follow me on this?
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I wouldnt be so quick to say that Outer Banks Kings are a ancient cross between Floridana and Easterns. In fact its only a theory thats unproven. What is a fact is that Outer Banks Kings are genetically identical to mainland Eastern Kings (Krysko). Also they do sorta look similar but not really. Those look as much like a OBK as do Speckled Kings. If you have seen many OBK's you would be able to tell the diff in a second. I think those look more like the Getula found around Lake City, Florida.

Keith
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Keit
Maybe if you think about how this animal came from red stock it does raise questions about the OBK animals. I should have posted one of the other siblings as they are not as nice and look more OBK than this one.
As far as the hypo brooksXeastern female, she has just started to take pinks on her own and I will post a pic after her next shed.

Maybe if you think about how this animal came from red stock it does raise questions about the OBK animals.

How so ? Outer Banks Kings in my opinion were on a path to being its own sub. They were adapting to their enviroment i.e. light sandy soil. There are others who can speak to this better than I like Tony D. or Howie Sherman. The whole Floridana Outer Banks King theory is whacky if you ask me and its only thrown out there with zero research.

As far as the hypo brooksXeastern female, she has just started to take pinks on her own and I will post a pic after her next shed.

Sure we will see it but before 2005 ? lol

Keith
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OBK animals

Leon Co. Florida animal:

F2 hypo brooks X eastern

They look a lot like the Eastern Kings from around Lake City, FL. That population of easterns does show what looks like a little floridana influence.

Those snakes you have are still very young though. It'd be interesting to see how they turn out as adults, whether they go through any ontogenetic change or not.

You seem have axanthic popping up in your brooksi projects... you sure these aren't axanthic?

Okay, now I wish someone would post a pic of one from Lake City , Fl!
I know the hypo brooks X easterns don't look identical to an OBK but the theory on how the OBK have come to look like they do is supported.

There is no axanthic gene at work in these. There are traces of yellow. So its strange how these f2's come from some very high red parents.

Here ya go.

Photo by Nick Mesa
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Photo by Carsten Zoldy
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Here is a Leon Co. for good measure

Photo by Bill Love
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Only superficially does that animal look like an OBX king. One key characteristic of OBX kings is an obscuring of the chain pattern laterally. Unlike intra-band speckling, which isn't unique to OBX populations and is often only a developmental characteristic, the scattered lateral pattern is manifest from the start.

That said its a nice looking animal. Can't wait to see how it developes.