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staple of dandelion greens and bokchoy w/minerall i. every day something else is mixed in (romaine, collared, etc

every other day bee pollen put on

every other day calcium w/ d3

>>staple of dandelion greens and bokchoy w/minerall i. every day something else is mixed in (romaine, collared, etc
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>>every other day bee pollen put on
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>>every other day calcium w/ d3

Everything seems ok, just not lettuce like romaine, red leaf, green leaf cause they don't have very much nutrition in them just mainly water, anything with green at the end like collard and mustard are good, endive and escarole are terrific.

you should try giving them Green beans and green peas, its' fun watchin them sit there and savor the juices from them.
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>>>>staple of dandelion greens and bokchoy w/minerall i. every day something else is mixed in (romaine, collared, etc
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>>>>every other day bee pollen put on
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>>>>every other day calcium w/ d3
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>>Everything seems ok, just not lettuce like romaine, red leaf, green leaf cause they don't have very much nutrition in them just mainly water, anything with green at the end like collard and mustard are good, endive and escarole are terrific.
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>>you should try giving them Green beans and green peas, its' fun watchin them sit there and savor the juices from them.
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>>GUY: You know I have a tendency to grow on people.
>>GAL: Yeah, so does fungus.
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>>"Maybe there is no actual place called hell. Maybe hell is just having to listen to our grandparents breathe through their noses when they're eating sandwiches."
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2.1 - Rocky, Runako, and RoxyIII (my care sheets)

exactly what is bad about peas? i am not contradicting you or anything. i really don't understand. helga LOVES peas and would probably dance the tango with me to get them but i do try to limit them but i have never known why. i think i read something about supplementing them and they are not so bad and her food does get calcium and vitamins through out the week. how much is too much and what about the "shell" of fresh peas? are they bad/not so good for uros too?
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vonnie
***Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution yet. Mae West ***

No offense taken. I remember that peas can have long term effects but I put in my site that if they (the uro) really likes them, utilized them for getting them their suppliments. That didn't really answer your question, so I looked around to sites I originally read up on for my own knowledge, and there on Doug's site is where I read it...

"Do NOT feed spinach, beet greens, Swiss chard, or cabbage, and limit broccoli, kale and collard greens. These either bind important nutrients or tend to induce metabolic problems over time. Peas have their faults as well but if you supplement with calcium and zinc, the benefits greatly out-weigh the potential harm. In our experience, it's very difficult to acclimate wild-collected specimens or underweight long term specimens without adding peas to the diet. In particular, we don't consider Sudanese or Orange or Rainbow benti to be successfully acclimated until they are eating peas. Insist on this when buying these 3 species, it will greatly improve your success potential with them."

As for why, I didn't see that. My Mali, when she was alive, LOVED peas (frozen thawed) and didn't seem to much when I dusted them, though she preferred that I didn't.

(Information from www.deerfernfarms.com/Uromastyx_Care.htm)
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2.1 - Rocky, Runako, and RoxyIII (my care sheets)

yeah that is what i read to find out that peas were not the greatest for them. i guess i could actually email that website and see if they have time to answer the question. if helga sees me opening the pea pods she runs towards me and i am almost afraid of losing a finger, so i hate to deny her something she loves so much, especially since she is such a picky eater
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vonnie
***Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution yet. Mae West ***

I've never actually thought of feeding the raw pea and pod itself. Aside of the fact that raw or frozen/thawed, probably doesn't make a difference about the nutritional value, I'm sure that the uros DO notice the feeding technique. Rocky leaves all caution to the wind when he thinks that I'm going to give him mealworms. He'll run right out of th ecage if he thought it would land him a worm. He's addicted big time.

-Jim
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2.1 - Rocky, Runako, and RoxyIII (my care sheets)

well in all honesty, the reason i give her fresh everything is because i heard freezing depletes the nutrients and she already is so picky that i want her to get as much as she can from all of it. i feed her stringless peas and she does enjoy the outside but i try to limit those as i have no clue if they are good for her or not. like i know people say not to feed the stems/stalks of greens so i did not know if there was something in the pea skins.
helga does not like superworms, however, she would probably chase a cricket off a cliff. oh i love to watch her hunt. she is so clumsy about it
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vonnie
***Marriage is a great institution, but I'm not ready for an institution yet. Mae West ***

"...she would probably chase a cricket off a cliff."
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2.1 - Rocky, Runako, and RoxyIII (my care sheets)

Helga sounds like Buddy with the crickets. We gave him some this weekend (he gets 2 once a month) and at first he just wanted out of his enclosure but when we backed away and he settled down him got a glimps of a cricket and the hunt was on. I love to see it.

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The addiction can be dangerous. 1 Uro named Buddy aka Big Boy & 1 Ig named Tiny

The individual items sound fine - even romaine is ok once in a while. Just remember that variety is the key to a healthy diet. You can add in turnip greens, mustard greens, radicchio, watercress, nappa cabbage (not a true cabbage), arugula, endive, escarole, alfalfa, clover, etc. Edible flowers are a nice treat for variety. You can shred winter squash, peppers, green beans, parsnip, pea pods, etc. A little bit of fruit is also ok if they'll eat it - try raisins, dates, figs, berries, etc. For dry foods, you can do whole lentils, crushed beans (no kidney beans), birdseed (no sunflowers in the shell).

If you mix it up as much as your local grocery stores or garden will allow, then your uro will be getting a wide variety of nutrients without overloading on anything bad.

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Torey
Salem, Oregon, USA
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You need to get rid of the Bok Choy and add collard greens endive, escrole sweet potato, parsnip some squash. Your uro would do so much better on this health wise.
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The addiction can be dangerous. 1 Uro named Buddy aka Big Boy & 1 Ig named Tiny

I believe that freezing foods does moderately deplete some of the nutrients, the ENORMOUS detriment actually occurs in the thawing process. Most people thaw the frozen vegetables in the microwave (I certainly do/did). Due to the way that a microwave works, it actually bursts the cells of the food, and irradiates many of the beneficial nutrients, thus making the foods almost worthless. I found this information particularly scary since I used frozen vegetable mixes quite frequently, especially when I was out of town and needed something easy for the pet sitter to feed my Uro. As a side point of information, microwaves do the same thing to the food WE eat.

Thawing frozen vegetables by boiling them on the stove will also deplete the nutrients, if you have ever noticed how the water turns a little green when you cook beans, that is a visual sign that some of the nutrition is being leeched out of the food. It is my understand though, that this leaves more of the nutrients intact than the microwave.

Fresh and Raw is best though!

Elizabeth

ps - Archie loves green beans and sugar snap peas, pods and all! I do cut them up fairly small though, into "bite" size chunks.
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