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I just bought a pair of diamonds, the male is from 2003 and the female is from 2004, they are both from the same breeder, and they are the golden form....

here is the link to the pictures,

the female is a sister to my male, but one 1 older.....
can´t wait till mine color out.

regards
Rasmus

dimond pics.

i have to say that those are some nice looking snakes... but i honestly doubt that they are truly pure diamonds. i hope you didn't purchase them at diamond prices. nevertheless they are pretty snakes.

Hi.

The animals I bought, are true diamonds.
how come you doubt that???

The breeder these animals come from are jaguar breeding center in Norway. It is the respected Jan Erik Engell who bred the parent to my snakes.

you can see the golden form of diamonds also on his webpage www.jaguarpython.com

If you look at his page, the female #2, male #3 are very similar to the big sister of my animals.

Please have a look and tell me what you think.

regards
Rasmus

yes they are stunning animals, unfortunately the photo does capture her bright yellow color.

Jan Erik bred the grandparents to my snakes.

The breeder who bred my snakes is also a very well known diamond breeder here in scandinavia.

While they are nice looking snakes, I seriously doubt they are pure diamonds. I hope they weren't priced as full diamonds.

Don't worry too much. Most people are suspicious when they see very carpet-like diamond youngsters. This is a side-effect of the fact that so many people are producing high-percentage crosses. My guess is that, in a couple of years, you'll have a beautiful pair of diamonds that no one will question.
G

Hi,

I don´t doubt that these snakes are of pure gene.

There is only a few known breeders here in europe that breed crosses like you do in the states. They have not gotten so popular here yet, but it is just a matter of time.

The animals where priced as real diamond, and I bought them from a friend of mine, who has been breeding diamonds for the past 4 years.

I also know that the animals where originally imported to Norway, and The grandparent are from Jan Erik Engell, which does not make crosses.

I shall keep posting pics. as they grow.

regards
Rasmus

Rasmus,
..That larger snake sure looks a lot like this 3/4 Diamond Python.
Jejj

Rasmus,
...This is what most of the full Diamond Pythons in US collections look like.
Jeff

Jeff,

I don't really see much similarity there. It seems to me that the rosettes on Uas's pic are all isolated, whereas the ones on you cross are all joined by solid black down the dorsum (I have a pic' of a wild diamond that has the same thing, though with no locality data).

I think that Uas's animal falls well within the parameters of diamond variation.

Your own diamond is a beauty, btw.

G

I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I'm not questioning the animals' pedigree. When I said that in a few years you'll have some diamonds that people won't question, I meant when these get a little older they won't look so "carpet-like".
I have diamonds of my own and they looked completly different as youngsters (btw, I'm also in Europe).

Anyway, I'm sure they'll be beautiful. Keep the pix coming.
G

Hi.

To Gary:
I don´t think I misunderstood you, I just stated the facts...
I hope they will turn out very nice, nut only time will tell.

Are you from the UK?

I don´t think you question their pedigree, what so ever.
Do you keep diamonds yourself?

To Jeff:

Very nice cross you posted! SCREAMER
I must agree with Gary on the similarity of coloration in the 2 snakes.
the pic. I posted of the female, she lacks the black dorsal. But insted all diamond are isolated like the photo of the diamond you posted.

Did you tjeck out parent group on jaguarpython.com

anyways, it is nice that I started a debate, and I am glad that you all are giving your opinion on the supject.

Regards
Rasmus Nielsen

Denamrk

You can both tjeck out the parent on the attached link.

they some from a swedish breeder, here is another pic

look for more on his webpage:
www.serpentum.com/favoriter/diamond.html

I believe the debates about what's what regarding diamonds and carpets will be ongoing... everyone has an opinion, and nobody can be completely certain of their assumptions, myself included. Everyone will have a different opinion. But regarding the "black dorsal" theory, i have seen quite a few diamonds which exhibited black dorsals connecting the rosettes. One such example can be seen on Will Leary's photo page #5 ;
www.reptilicusreptiles.net/htm2/photogallery5.htm
But again, i think most of you will agree variation is one thing both diamonds and carpets are most definately not lacking. The reason i origionally commented that your diamond, diamond cross,.. heck, i'm going to just call it a Morelia s. "Pretty" if that's OK with everyone is because it bore resemblance to my CoastalXDiamond. Granted, your snakes are much more yellow in color than my snake, but the pattern is very similar between the two. That is just my opinion. Rasmus, you definately have some beautiful snakes, I would be proud to own snakes like them here's a picture of my coastalXdiamond

Hi Dxc.

I am very luckt to have gotten my hands on a pair of these diamonds, they are very rare here in europe.
The morph I have has very intense yellow/golden coloration and not at all like black/white diamonds we know.

This bloodline morelia s. "pretty"spilota) has also proved very productive in captivity. The breeder to my snakes have bred them 4 years in a row, with as much as 30 eggs in a clutch.

His animals are also only 6½ years old. and going on 5th breedingseason.

I really hope I can produce them in the furture too.

P.s

Lovely cross you have.
I am thinking of getting really intense jungles, so I can make crosses too, but I have not found any screamers YET.

regards
Rasmus

Your male look very similar to my early 04 female that was sold to me as a JCP (no cross). I did post this pic below asking if she was a jungle x diamond.

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1.0 Malagasy Giant Hognose
0.1 Jungle Carpet Python
1.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
0.1 Guyana Red Tail Boa
1.0 Ball Python

Rasmus,
..They are beautiful snakes but they look a whole lot more like my 75% Diamond than any Diamond Python I have owned.
Jeff

>>I just bought a pair of diamonds, the male is from 2003 and the female is from 2004, they are both from the same breeder, and they are the golden form....
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>>here is the link to the pictures,
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>>the female is a sister to my male, but one 1 older.....
>>can´t wait till mine color out.
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>>regards
>>Rasmus
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>>dimond pics.

Now I see what you were talking about,
You really just don't know for sure!
Greg

diamonds are very variable, anyone care to comment on the diamond on the back cover of ross and marzec's book. i have no doubt its pure but i wouldn't buy it as a pure diamond. as jeff said in another post it might be to late. too bad we did this to ourself and to american diamonds. there are pure outthere but buyer beware,really too bad they are great snakes. Fred.

To Rasmus from Jan Eric Engell ( JBC ) :
You have totally been misinformed or lied to by the so-called Swedish
breeder.
I have only sold one pair of Diamond hatchlings to a friend of mine in
Sweden a couple of years ago and his name is NOT Tobbe Herlin.
This pair was also accompanied by a CITES export permit.
The Norwegian vet. authorities ( Ministry of Agriculture ) inspect both my
python eggs and hatchlings annually. I am then issued an official birth
certificate of all my hatchlings in order to obtain legal CITES export
permits. That`s how strict it is in Norway.
Tobbe Herlin`s Diamonds ( or bloodline ) does not come from me.
Be aware that when you buy Diamonds or any other reptile offspring for
that matter within a EU country or between EU countries you need at
least a Certificate of Origin ( Point of Origin ), stating the CITES number
of the original parents/breeders. Otherwise you will be in big trouble
when trying to sell your own offspring later on. This is something that the
Swedish breeder should know also.
Otherwise a CITES permit is required from such countries as Norway,
Canada, USA etc. or so-called "third countries" that are not members
or full-members of the European Union.
Perhaps you should contact the Swedish authorities and find out where
the breeder of your animals` parents actually came from.
I don`t appreciate being misused in such a manner by you or the so-called Swedish breeder. I don`t really blame you, Rasmus, since I
truly believe you have been lied to by the breeder on purpose.

But I do demand that you give me a call ( 0047 22324193 ) so we can
get to the bottom of this serious matter, because I do not like my name
or company being falsely dragged into the forum discussion this way.

One last thing, I find it strange that his breeder Diamonds are 6 years old
and going on the 5th. breeding season. Do you honestly believe they
start breeding at age one ? The females need at least 3-4 years before
breeding the first time. I always wait until they are four.
You are right though that I do not do intergrades or crosses. I see no
reason to.
I don`t have time to do anymore posting, but I do expect a phone call
from you ASAP.
Regards,
Jan Eric Engell / JAGUAR BREEDING CENTER
www.jaguarpython.com

To Jan Eric, and who it may concern.

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I must have misunderstood the messege from the breeder, and have found out that Mr. Jan Eric Engell has nothing to do with these diamonds WHAT SO EVER.

I am truely sorry for causing any confusion about this matter, and have therefore taking actions in finding out the whole truth.

Best regards
Rasmus

Regarding tobbe Helin.

I also need to state that Tobbe has not done wrong, I have misunderstood the situation here, and I am sorry for that.

The fault is mine.

regards
Rasmus

whatever has been said about Jan and tobbe for that matter, needs to be interpreted as a misunderstanding from my side.