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Read the bottom of this ad......

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=40&de=259177

IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO SHIP VENOMOUS SPECIES TO SOMEONES DOOR STEP OVER NIGHT.....

I also suggest this persons account be shut down due to illegal activities..... Peoples accounts have been shut down for alot less here.....

Gregg,
I hate to say it, but it seems like its going to be over for all of us who collect venomous soon. I know someone that receives venomous through UPS all the time. I dont even mean venomoid, I mean the real deal. I also know the dealers that sell to him as well. It seems as if its just all about money and sales these days. No respect for the hobby in its true form. Its a dmn shame too, as I have spent a great deal of time with my animals, and would hate to give them up due to the illegal actions of others. The person I know knows its wrong, but doesnt care to change his business practices because he has not gotten caught yet. I have kept my distance from this person for the simple fact of not needing any negative attention to myself. I hope it was a typo and he meant something else.
Thanks Chris

This animal is not venomous...

It's just a mere shadow of it's former self....

Pity though, looks like a very nice animal to me

*Also the line that this snake would make "A GREAT PET" is something that wouldn't be in my book...*

Cheers

Peter
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"No one likes us, we don't care"

Maybe he has changed the add, but I don't see where he states he will ship the animal, only that he will take $600 OBO. Maybe he expects the buyer to come get the animal?

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don't you realize that venomoid snake dealers in the kingsnake classified's don't have to abide by any laws? Don't you realize what a great service they are doing for the safety of the herp community? Don't you realize that $600 for a venomoid gaboon
is a bargain?

Ok... first of all I have a question. Is a venomoid really considered a nonvenomous animal by law? That's not sarcastic, I really am wondering. I was always under the impression that venomoids were regarded as venomous.

As for the add, I think that the "great pet" part is by far the most misleading. Even if it is a venomoid a bite from a gaboon would still hurt like hell. I'm not sure how true it is, but I've heard accounts of the fangs themselves causing nerve damage just from the punctures. If people want a pet snake, try and sell them a ball python or corn snake. People need to not try and make a commodity out of potentially deadly animals. It's just morally wrong and ruining the keeping of venomous for the people who are responsible enough to do so. And as far as I'm concerned the add definitly targets the buyers who wouldn't be ready for a venomous animal. Anyone who is qualified to keep a gaboon would know enough about the animal so that they would't be persuaded by something as simple as that, so in my opinion it just need not exist.

I'm done ranting now. I hate being one of the people who flip out of these forums, but in this case, Greg is right.
-Will

On your local or state law.

Now in Florida (to the best of my knowledge) legality is distinguished by species only, so whether a snake is venomous or venomoid is irrelevant. You need a license for either.

This makes a great deal of sense, because how many Game & Fish officers are qualified to ID a venomoid by just looking at it? They have enough probs Iding venomous from non.....

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

One reason Florida requires permits for venomous both before & after butchery...uh, excuse me... surgery is that captive born/hatched young do not inherit the lack of ability to envenomate.

~~Greg~~

In Jersey it's the same for the same reason, but as far as the shipping is concerned, isn't that a CITES thing which would be federal? So if the shipping regulations are do to CITES, assuming I'm correct, than does anybody know if or how it takes into account venomoids?

Hey, Glad to see you weathered the storms. Hope all is well and your getting back into a normal routine in your life.
And yes it never ceases to amaze me to see "1.1 venomoid this or that" for sale in the classifieds, makes no sense at all, of course that just demonstrates the venomoiders level of intellect or common sense.

Your Pittsburgh Friends

Whoa.. others in pittsburgh? where have you been hiding? I just seem to meet the people who want to chop off all of my collections heads.
Sera
S and M Reptiles

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3.7 ball pythons (5 normal, 2 het axanthic, lemon, blush, reduced)
1.2 king snakes (1 chocolate, 2 albino)
1.1 colombian red tail boas
1.1 pueblan milksnakes
2.2 african house snakes
2.1 striped albino gophers
1.2 burmese pythons (1 albino, 2 hets)
1.1 southern copperheads
1.1 dumeril's boas
3.3 corns (miami, okatee, snow, caramel, 2 creamsicle)
1.1 jungle corns
0.2 ferrets
0.2 degus
0.1 salcotta tortoise
1.1 rats
1.0 lab/beagle puppy
1.0 parakeet
0.0.1 human on the way

n/p

I completely agree that people who can not handle venomous should not be handling venomoids or caring for such animals. Venomoids need to be treated just like venomous, because as one response says, the bite can still be quite painful. Two inch long gaboon fangs in your hand is not exactly something to be taken litely. Regarding venomoids, I do not agree with the practice for the majority of the time. The only time a snake should be "de-toxified," for lack of a better word, is for educational purposes. I feel that it is ok to use venomoids in an educational setting, as long as they are treated as fully loaded and dangerous. This would allow for a close encounter with what the audience thinks is a very dangerous snake, and if only a few people care about venomous snakes enough to not behead one the next time they come across it, then I am OK with the whole thing. Using a Venomoid would at the same time remove the obvious danger of having a venomous snake in the room with a class or school setting. Venomoids should not be created so that keepers can remove the danger of a snake though so they can free handle a king, for example.

I have seen Greg in action giving education lectures with "real" hots. And he did a magnificent job. Native hots can be safely used for eductional lectures, with the proper animals and prcedures. Exotic hots would be best kept as display animals at educational lectures.

Shawn
http://www.americanvenomous.com

I think that the risk involved with bringing out "hot" venomous is still just too risky. God forbid he had to drop the snake to prevent a bite to himself and the snake got away from the stage area. If that snake bit anyone, there goes the conservation message. I am sure that greg is an excellent demonstrator, and I was not knocking him by any means. I just think that this extra precaution would be necessary. I am against venomoids to begin with, so dont get the wrong idea.

kevin