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Hi guys,

2004 have been an unbelievable year for me in the realm of the Pituophis. This year I was able to get some beautiful and incredible looking animals from some of you guys here in the Pituophis forum. Just want to thank those people and to those that gave some of my Pituophis hatchlings some good homes. These little ones will definitely keep me busy for years to come. The Pituophis Gods definitely smiled for me this year. Here are some pics that I took today. Enjoy!

For starters here are some bullsnakes.

First is a kingsville redbull female from Shannon Brown. I just love her pattern and her red colors. I can't wait when she's a year old to see her full color potential.

Next is a nice group of hypo and het kingsville/stillwater crosses also from Shannon Brown. It's only been a couple of months since I picked these animals from him and the color just gets better. The red bull influence are very strong with these little ones.

Here's the hypo male

. . . and the het hypo females.

Third is a nice albino speckled from Josh Martin. I've been wanting to get some speckled morphs for some time but unfortunately Gary Ballam had a bad year. Luckily Josh produced some very nice animals this year and I was able to pick up his nicest female. Take note that she is starting to shed on this pic. I love her bright pastel orange color!

4th is a nice pair of jani from Matt Turner. I was also very fortunate to pick up this pair. I saw the female I didn't think twice on trying to get her. When I emailed Matt about this pair he said that they were spoken for but the initial buyer didn't come through. So I was extremely lucky. The aberrant pattern on the female is something to look forward to in the next year or so. Not to mention the process of their color change within the pair's first year.

Here's the aberrant female

. . .and the male.

Last but not the least. LINEATICOLLIS! Like most of us here in the forum I've been looking for these rare beauties from the first time I saw them on the Reptiles Magazine's 2001 Pituophis issue. I was able to pick up a pair from the anonymous source(don't ask me why) here in CA like most of us here. They were somewhat pricey but it's just one of those things that you just don't want to pass on. I was told by a prefessor from a CA university that also picked up some animals that their pickled museum specimens that was collected for the school where from elevations of 5800 and 8000 feet. Based on that very small bit of info I'm going to keep these guys similar to the deppei, jani, and vertebralis requirements and feeding regimens. 78-80 highs and smaller than usual pituophis meals. Sounds good? Just want to be on a safe side. So far they are feeding well on thawed rodents and active during the later/cooler part of the day. Anyways' here some pics.

Thanks for looking.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Nice pics, Jonel. I've been trying to post my lineaticollis pics, unsuccessfully so far. They seem hardy and good feeders so far, so my guess is that a couple of years from now lineaticollis will be well-represented in collections. Now we just need a good English name to call them by.....

Beautiful albino white-sideds.....I've looked alll over for a speckled whitesided, no luck - anybody out there know if someone has some ?

Hey Simias

Yes they seem to be hardy and good feeders. They feed as readily as my jani but is somewhat shy like my capes. I guess they're just a little nervous and shy and seem to like to eat in private. Did you know that I haven't seen my capes eat from start to finish? I usually leave their food item in front of the hide box during feeding time and after sometime I check on them again and the food items are gone. Anyway, you're right about the common english name. I just don't know what to call them so I used what the Pituophis page listed them as. Cope's Middle American Gophersnakes is guess is what I'll use for now. About the speckleds, mine is actually an albino speckled and not an albino white-sided(snow). If you're looking for a speckled white-sided, the fellas I mentioned would be a good place to start. Josh Martin posted a pair that he produced this year a couple of posts down. He also said that he should have more next year. Gary Ballam has them listed on his price list every year. You can see some of Gary's pics in the kingsnake.com gallery. Josh is also running an add for some speckled in the classifieds. I'm not sure if the speckled white-sideds are for sale though(probobly not). Hope it helps.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

If memory serves it would be either Gibson's or Cope's gopher snake depending on subspeicies. If you don't have locality data, then they would be generic Middle American gophers. Very nice by any name.

Anyway, you're right about the common english name. >>

Line Pine?

I'm not a poet, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Lloyd Heilbrunn

Palm Beach Gardens, Fl.

Hehe. Sounds like something you would use for a counter top. No offense but that's what it sounds like. Thanks.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

You really have a great group of snakes there. I am damn jealous of the Lineaticollis. I think some people may recommend you keep your Mexican Pits a few degrees cooler? You're so right about the pic of that snake in the issue of Reptiles. I believe they called it a Cincuate Bull? Sounds a little cooler than Lined Pines but whatever, it's great they're finally starting to be available. Good luck with everything Tom Stevens

Hi Tom

Thanks. I will be keeping these guys cooler and my highs/max are just going to be around 78-80. Plus they will be towards the bottom of my racks so it will be a little cooler than that. The lineaticollis were called "Cincuate Bullssnake" on that article but if i remember correctly "El Cincuate" translates to "The Cornsnake" or something of that nature. So if we used that as a common name they would be called "Cornsnake Bullsnakes" which would be a little confusing. I'll keep my choosen name for now, hehe. Putting aside the english common names. I'm also happy that they are finally somewhat available. Thanks again and take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Cincuate also refers to deppi deppi.
Pit Taxonomy

>>Last but not the least. LINEATICOLLIS! Like most of us here in the forum I've been looking for these rare beauties from the first time I saw them on the Reptiles Magazine's 2001 Pituophis issue. I was able to pick up a pair from the anonymous source(don't ask me why) here in CA like most of us here.

The breeder has asked to be kept anonymous. He has a valuable collection and would rather avoid the spotlight. I fail to understand why this cannot be respected.

Besides, it is pretty well known where ya got them!

They were somewhat pricey but it's just one of those things that you just don't want to pass on. I was told by a prefessor from a CA university that also picked up some animals that their pickled museum specimens that was collected for the school where from elevations of 5800 and 8000 feet. Based on that very small bit of info I'm going to keep these guys similar to the deppei, jani, and vertebralis requirements and feeding regimens. 78-80 highs and smaller than usual pituophis meals. Sounds good? Just want to be on a safe side. So far they are feeding well on thawed rodents and active during the later/cooler part of the day. Anyways' here some pics.

Regarding care they have proven to be very hardy. Temps in the 80's do not affect them. In fact, when freshly fed they bask upon an 88F hot spot.

As for a name. I would think the name I use works well.

The Mexican Lined Pine.

The southern subspecies if it becomes available would be called Gibson's or the Guatemalan Lined Pine.

I have had some buyers ask for the names of my customers. If you have our lineaticollis and want others to know about it please feel free to post yourself here. I will not out any of my buyers. Asking one to do so is unfair. Demanding goes unanswered.
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NAMED BEST REPTILE STORE IN LOS ANGELES

Nice job, thanks for sharing the pics.

Signed,

Jealous in Ohio
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Ken Roshak
BlackSwampSerpents@toast.net

Thanks Ken. The next few years should be very interesting. I hope they do well so I can see some babies in a couple of years. I can't wait already. Take care
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

>>Hi guys,
>>
>> 2004 have been an unbelievable year for me in the realm of the Pituophis. This year I was able to get some beautiful and incredible looking animals from some of you guys here in the Pituophis forum. Just want to thank those people and to those that gave some of my Pituophis hatchlings some good homes. These little ones will definitely keep me busy for years to come. The Pituophis Gods definitely smiled for me this year. Here are some pics that I took today. Enjoy!
>>
>>For starters here are some bullsnakes.
>>
>>First is a kingsville redbull female from Shannon Brown. I just love her pattern and her red colors. I can't wait when she's a year old to see her full color potential.
>>
>>
>>Next is a nice group of hypo and het kingsville/stillwater crosses also from Shannon Brown. It's only been a couple of months since I picked these animals from him and the color just gets better. The red bull influence are very strong with these little ones.
>>
>>Here's the hypo male
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>>. . . and the het hypo females.
>>
>>
>>
>>Third is a nice albino speckled from Josh Martin. I've been wanting to get some speckled morphs for some time but unfortunately Gary Ballam had a bad year. Luckily Josh produced some very nice animals this year and I was able to pick up his nicest female. Take note that she is starting to shed on this pic. I love her bright pastel orange color!
>>
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>>4th is a nice pair of jani from Matt Turner. I was also very fortunate to pick up this pair. I saw the female I didn't think twice on trying to get her. When I emailed Matt about this pair he said that they were spoken for but the initial buyer didn't come through. So I was extremely lucky. The aberrant pattern on the female is something to look forward to in the next year or so. Not to mention the process of their color change within the pair's first year.
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>>Here's the aberrant female
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>>. . .and the male.
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>>Last but not the least. LINEATICOLLIS! Like most of us here in the forum I've been looking for these rare beauties from the first time I saw them on the Reptiles Magazine's 2001 Pituophis issue. I was able to pick up a pair from the anonymous source(don't ask me why) here in CA like most of us here. They were somewhat pricey but it's just one of those things that you just don't want to pass on. I was told by a prefessor from a CA university that also picked up some animals that their pickled museum specimens that was collected for the school where from elevations of 5800 and 8000 feet. Based on that very small bit of info I'm going to keep these guys similar to the deppei, jani, and vertebralis requirements and feeding regimens. 78-80 highs and smaller than usual pituophis meals. Sounds good? Just want to be on a safe side. So far they are feeding well on thawed rodents and active during the later/cooler part of the day. Anyways' here some pics.
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>>Thanks for looking.
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>>Jonel @ Selective Propagations
>>www.spsnakes.com
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Gregg F.

www.greggsrb.com

Thanks Gregg

I saw some of your new animals too and I could say the same thing with your nice acquisitions. Keep us updated on some of your pit projects. Btw, that aberrant ghost looks awesome. Take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

WOW what a great gallery of pics and pits .All where super nice . I totaly dig the Jani and Lineaticollis .

Thanks for sharing .

Jason

Thanks Jason. Btw, how's that new snake room coming along? Just make sure you fill it up with more pituophis, ok? hehe Take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

Slowly but surly thats my plan more pits .

Take care

jason

Yes it is a pituophis year. The orange snakes are "speckled?" That is a neat morph. I've gone from two Pits to five thanks to the great people at Cherryville. My son took several pictures with his digital camera. He hasn't sent them to me yet. I hope to post them soon.

Mike B

Hi Mike

The orange snake is an amelanistic form of the speckled pattern morph. The original founders of the morph named it as speckled bulls but i think the name "patternless-striped" would have been better to describe the pattern morph on how they actually look. Just IMO though. Go to the kingsnake.com photo gallery and type the user name "gbalam" (founder stock) and you can see some more examples of these. Good luck with your new additions also and don't forget to share pics when you get them. Take care.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com

way the outcrossed red x stills are looking with age.And that red bull female I sold you is going to be a screamer.
later shannon

Hi Shannon

Yes, I think they are going to be very nice well I think they are now. Anyway, I talked to Jason(he got the other one right?) and he said his hypo is also picking up some nice peaches and reds. Even the hets are very good examples of generic reds and not to mention they are het hypo. I'mm very happy with these. Looking at these babies now I think I'll have a hard time just letting go of their potential offspring. Keep me on the list for next years pits. Take care bro.
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Jonel @ Selective Propagations
www.spsnakes.com