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(I was sure i posted these pix yesterday don't see them here, so i guess not.)

Here are two pix of one of several unusual pyros I hatched this summer, shown with a normal-looking baby. As you can see, the pale animal is hypoMELANISTIC, the rings that are usually black are clearly brown. But it's also hypoERYTHRISTIC, with the rings usually red reduced to a sort of pinkish orange.

I produced these out of two different "lines":
1) my barczyk hypomelanistic line (hypomelanistic het/albino x a double het female)
and
2) from a pair of "normals" i bought in daytona several years ago because the male looked more orange than red, i thought it was an interesting nuance so bought him and his normal-looking (red) sister. On close examination several visitors have concluded (and i guess i concur) that the "orange" adult male is a hypo of some sort, that his "black" rings are not glossy black like on normal pyros, but are instead matte or flat black or charcoal gray-black.

I'm not sure what these pale hypos are but i thought the pictures might be interesting to some of you. I look forward to your thoughts.

peace
terry

Hi terry,
The ones here in the pic, are these from the hypo het-albino male BHB line..?-(meaning they would be sibs to the hypo and het-hypo BHb you snet me on breeder loan..?), or are these ones pictured the results of the "orange" male and sib female you got in daytona a couple years ago..?
jeff teel

A thought I had while looking at your probable hybino over on the milksnake forum (awesome by the way). It is obvious by the look of that animal that the presence of the hypo-m gene has an effect on the orange portion of the animal and not just the black. This would suggest that the hypo-m pyros may also be affected within the red portion of the animal by the hypo-m gene. We see this with hypo-m hondos with the lack of black tipping within these portions and somewhere in the pathway the hypo-m gene has to play a role in that. with the 'pale hypo-m' pyros we might just be looking at a generation further down the line that has now subsequently reduced the red portions as well. As Jeff said in another post I recall these have come out of the BHB line and would thus be a very nice representation of the hypo-m gene within that group.

Matt Woodhall