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2 males? 10 gallon tank?

xardion Jun 27, 2003 10:11 PM

im just wondering i might get 2 babey leos and put them in a 10 gallon tank. Will they fight if they are both males since u cant tell while they are young if they are male or female. and can 2 leos even fit in a 10 gallon tank?
thanx

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Josh06 Jun 27, 2003 10:23 PM

If they are both males, they wont start fighting until they are sexually mature. By then you will know what sex they are and will be able to separate them if they both are males. Two babies can fit in a 10 gallon. Once they get bigger, a 20 gallon would be better, though a 10 gallong would work(would just be cramped).
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Kwikgecko Jun 27, 2003 10:29 PM

I'm not sure exactly what age they will start to fight (but they will have to be separated). A 20 Long tank is the smallest for two adults, and comforatable for one (10 gallon is OK for babies). Read the care sheet for this site.

lissag25 Jun 27, 2003 11:00 PM

yeah.. only one leopard gecko per 10 gallons... it would just be easier to buy an adult pair ...or one and wait until it is sexually mature and then get another one.. by the way.. how is your water dragon doing.. did you take it to the vet... what is his/her name.. just curios... good luck...

alissa

Josh06 Jun 27, 2003 11:21 PM

Not directly towards you but a lot of people seem to think on here that 2 leos cant be kept in a 10 gallon. When in fact they can. The size isnt really a factor, as leos dont need as much room as everyone thinks. As long as you can fit the essentials in the 10 gallon it will work perfectly fine for 2 leos. Of course a 20 gallon would be more spacious and probably be better, a 10 gallon will work perfectly fine if everything needed is provided.
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lissag25 Jun 27, 2003 11:27 PM

i was trying to convey that it is just easier and roomier to fit all the hides and junk into a 20 gallon tank.. i know 2leos do just fine in a 10 gallon..

alissa

Josh06 Jun 28, 2003 07:39 AM

I also think it would be better in a 20 gallon, but some people just dont have enough room for that and I wanted him to know that a 10 would work.
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Cleopatra Jun 28, 2003 11:59 AM

Believe me...a ten gallon tank is barely big enough for a humid hide, a dry hide, a water dish, and a food dish. Every leo should feel comfortable when choosing a hide and 2 leos should not have to squish into a one leo sized hide. While yes, you can put two leos in a 10 gallon tank, it is a satisfactory setup, not an optimal setup. Leos are more active than everyone thinks...my leos are out and about, climbing and exploring...can you imagine 2 7-8 inch leos clambering about a ten gallon tank....talk about being squished. Basically, I think the 10 gallon minimum rule is wonderful because if we start telling people two is okay in a 10 gallon tank....then they might not go the extra mile for their second leo and just take the easy way out.

Cleo
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bradley Jun 28, 2003 12:35 PM

and they had enough room to do everything, as well as 2 geckos in a 10 gallon. They were perfectly fit, not cramped at all. I had a simple setup of cali sand, a humid hide, a water dish, and a food dish. There was plenty of space in both the setups, in fact I put another hide on the cool side, a rock and one of those fake plants you get at the petstore in the 15 gallon. All of the animals grew up to be lead happy healthy lives, as well as retaining their color. Leopard Geckos don't need as much room as we all think, people just think biggers better, when back when nobody was breeding leopard geckos besides a few, Ron Tremper for example, housed very simply and efficiently and now that he is showing how he's been housing for all these years, every one is freaking out on "how little space they have" when in fact they are very compfertable, who are we to say, he's been breeding for 25 years . Now this is from a breeders standpoint, but by no means is it causing concern for the geckos. If your going for the display look with a nice naturalistic vivarium, then by all means go for the bigger tank, it will give you more space to design sculptures and have more room to work with. But if your going for the simple setup of paper towel, humid hide, food and water dish, then don't be afraid to put two geckos in that 10 gallon tank.
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Spotted_Leopard Jun 28, 2003 12:05 PM

Well sorry Josh! I asked if I could keep a leopard gecko in a 20 gallon tall, and everyone says there is barely enough room for the gecko in there, when it measures 20 inches across. I also thought that once you put stuff like the hide box, food dishes, lamps, ect., that it would take a lot of space. I even looked it up, and people said that leopard geckos need a lot of space, so a long 20 gallon tank is preferred. Again, I'm SORRY, but that's what everyone has been telling me, ok?
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Josh06 Jun 28, 2003 05:39 PM

Look everyone, I never said that it was the best set up for the two leos, but it will work and the leos will be perfectly healthy if they are taken care of in a 10 gallon. Yes, it is cramped and tough to fit everything in there, but the leos will be able to thrive on just a humid hide, a food dish and a water dish, and if you arranged everything right, you could probably fit another hide in. Of course a 20 gallon would be better, but a 10 gallon is perfectly fine. Also Cleopatra, I would like to think that if a newbie did put two leos in a 10 gallon and saw that it was too cramped, that they would buy a bigger cage, but I do see where you are coming from. And spotted leopard, I have no idea what you are apologizing for.... Please everyone dont jump all over my back because from what I have seen and experienced, a 10 gallon will do perfectly fine for 2 leos, if they are properly cared for.
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iluvblackfrancis Jun 29, 2003 01:35 AM

yeah, a 10 is fine. i have a BIG male and a average female in a 10 right now, and they are perfectly happy. i have no choice cos' this female is mean to all the other females, but these to leos do great together. theyve been together for almost 2 years, by the way, and are doing great.
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Spotted_Leopard Jun 28, 2003 11:28 AM

Sorry, but that is a horrible idea! If they are two male leos, one will dominate over the smaller leo and eventually kill him. If they are male and female there is chance that they will breed, and unless you intend for them to do so, you're going to end up with a lot of unwanted leos. And a 10 gallon tank is just enough for one leo, they can grow over 7 inches long. A 20 gallon long would be more like it, if they were male and female. They could also be female and female, but I never read much about them both being put together. So, you can just get one leopard gecko, or buy two 10 or 20 gallons for each. Or you could also risk putting them together. Sorry if I sound mean, I'm just giving you my input...Jaz
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Just because you understand why something is, doesn't mean you have to agree with it-Jaz(me)

All work and no play is gay-something i heard somwhere, it's not my quote

~*Good pets are gifts from God*~

Cleopatra Jun 28, 2003 11:39 AM

in a 10 gallon tank...but they should be seperated before they are 4 months old. If not, they will commence to fighting. Any leo older than 4 months old requires its own 10 gallon tank.

Cleo
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LeoEyes Jun 28, 2003 12:48 PM

Well you "could" but i really recomend keeping babies seperate and also I highly recomend when they get bigger to give them larger cages, say at least 15g. A 20g Long is perfect. Alot of people say you can keep them in 10 gallons, and you can but I believe it is much healther to keep leos in larger cages. In a larger cages you have more room to put stuff in and provide a number of hide boxes and also the leo can move around alot more, and get more exercise. I think its also better for there mental health and helps keep stress level down.

xardion Jun 28, 2003 03:37 PM

well thankyou for the advise. i think ill try and talk my mom and dad into buying me a long 20 gallon tank jsut becasue i want my leos to be able to have there own space and room to run around. and this way like alot of u said they will be more helthy. thanx