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OK, learning here. When you breed a co-dominant male to a normal female you will get the morph? Do you get Hets? I am guessing "no:.
If this is the case, what morphs are co-dominant? Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

So lets see, you own a co dom snake and you don't even know what morphs are co dom?
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Jeff West

But who the heck would sell you an UNSEXED Pastel???

Jeff, i would think you would not jump to that conclusion. Did you buy every snake you have? I am guessing not.

Lets see, if you would ask before typing you might know. A month ago i posted that i had my 1st clutch hatch. And since i do not know how to sex snakes, i put it as unknown(along with 2 others).

But i think your true intent was not wondering who "sold" and un-sexed Pastel, but more like "what butthead bought an un-sexed Pastel" being me...

Maybe "buttheads" that don't know should not even bother replying, meaning YOU... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

If you bred it yourself and got a Pastel, then why would you ask THIS question in your first post?:

When you breed a co-dominant male to a normal female you will get the morph?

And calling people names is immature and sure fire way to not getting any of you question answered. I didn't attack you, I just wondered something aloud. Why get your panties in a knot?

Jeff, i did not know a Pastel is co-dominant. Now that i do, i better understand this. Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

Sounds like i am being busted on here. Would think you would want to help and not act like your making an a$$ out of me.

I guess everything you own or have you know ALL out that too.

Just because you have or own something does not mean you know all about it, or we would all be experts and not need experts to help us. I had a painting in our house(before leaving Minnesota) that i thought was nothing. It was my grandfathers and he gave it to me like 20 years ago. When i moved here i put it in storage and did not think anything about it. Then like 3 weeks ago i watched the Antiques Roadshow and saw a painting that looked like mine, and was signed by the same guy(i thought). So i got it out the next day and the signature was the same. So i took pics of it and sent it to a couple auction house and every one of them said it was an un listed painting(if it was real). So they advises me to get it looked at to see if in fact it was real. Guess what, it is.

So guess what? I have a real painting by someone who's work demands over $30,000 per painting. And since mine was not even cataloged, and the world has not seen it, they say it could bring $50,000 at auction(with a good crowd).

So it is no longer wrapped in a packing paper. It hangs in my house, like it should have been from the start.

I did not remember any of the people looking at my painting think i am a fool for having it in storage wrapped in paper like it was worthless. No one can know everything.

But i could be wrong,maybe you do know everything and enjoy making fun of the rest of the world. I do hope you feel good knowing i don't know about Balls.

John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

"When you breed a co-dominant male to a normal female you will get the morph? Do you get Hets? I am guessing "no:."

With co-dominant morphs the hets are visible. If you breed a het male to a normal female then each egg has a 50/50 chance of being a het. The only difference is that with a het pastel/spider/mojave/any other dominant type mutation male you can tell which babies are hets by looking at them but with a recessive morph like albino you can't. So with co-dominants you still get hets, you just don't get possible hets since you can identify the hets by sight.

Thank you for expaining that to me in clear terms. So with it basiclly, the Het can be seen(as a morph). So that is why males would cost more. Could breed 1 male to many normal females(like a thread below said).
Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

Pastel male to normal female=
this is in a perfact world...say you had six eggs hatch...3 normals NOT HETS and and 3 pastels . Co- Dominant genes will produce a visual color phase and when you breed a co dom to co dom you get a super.

Thanks, now i know and understand. Its good when people break it down, thank you.

Well, i hope my unknown is female(for dad in 2 years). Thanks... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

With all the questions about genetics lately, I think we ned a link. Chances are this will answer most (if not all) of your questions about gentics if you take the times to read it. If this one doesn;t explain things well enough (!), just do a google search on "ball python genetics" (no quotes). You'll get LOADS of good articles.
NERD Herpetocultural Library Intro to Reptile Genetics

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Astronomy Picture of the Day

Thank you very much for the link. Also, love your photos of the day. Do you take the photos of most of what you post?

See Jeff, that's all you had to do to help someone... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

LOL, you are such a joke. First of all you didn't just "find" the snake like you did the painting. If you paid the price pastels and those other snakes you "claim" to own without even knowing the genetics behind them you are a dumbass. I find it hard to beleive you own anything but normals if that.
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Jeff West

1st, my point was that you do not need to know something about something to own it. Read it again.

2nd, you do not need to know genetics to buy snakes on-line. Think about it really hard. If you wanted to buy a Pastel and knew nothing about them, you could go to the "classifieds" and look at what they sell for. Keep an eye on that for a few weeks or months and then when one you like(nice looking) comes along and the price is right, you buy it. Does not take a degree in genetics to figure that out.

So if the market says a male goes for say $1000 and i buy one for $1000, hoe does that make me getting a bad deal? Just because i do not know what gene did this or what gene did that, bottom line, its a male Pastel.

3rd, if you do not know me, please do not word your post doughting what i have and do not have. You do not know, but if you really want to know what i have, you can contact Ralph Davis, Chris Moon, Corey Woods, VPI, Alan Bosch, Estillian Reptiles, Stan Ruppel, and Jamie Quick. These are all breeders i have boughten my Hets or morphs from. I am sure they will all be glad to tell you which from my list they sold me.

Then you can stick your head up your A$$. Its people like you that make good people get out of a hobby. Its people like you that make new hobbiests kill animals because they are affraid they will get drilled when they ask questions.

You think you know everything when really you know nothing. Next time talk about something you know about, not about what you think someone has or does not have. John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

Now you are talking absolute bull[bleep]. I am the first person to offer advice to a newbie with a snake problem. The point I was making was the fact that it seems you purchased all of your snakes with no actual clue at all as to what you were doing. You know nothing about genetics yet you own plenty of hets and Co dom morphs and claim to breed them? The only reason a Pastel male is worth a thousand dollars is the genetics behind him and his capability of producing many pastels and combining him with other morphs. For you to spend a thousand dollars and have absolutely no idea how his genetics worth would be pretty stupid IMO.
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Jeff West

At least your speaking to me like a real person. Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

The Astronomy photos? Those are straight from NASA. Here's the main page:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/lib/aptree.html

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Astronomy Picture of the Day

Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

so lets see. you have a collection worth several thousand dollars, a painting that is worth 50k that was in storage and yet seem to have zero knowledge of basic ball python genetics. I wish i had my daddies money to blow on a ball python collection too. welcome to the band wagon !!!
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2.0 het pied
1.1 het albino
0.8 normal
1.0 american pit bull terrior
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrior as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I think you got a brother here on Kingsnake.

1st, i work very hard for my money and to talk about my father(you can kiss my ASS). My father is dead and died without a penny. So again, kiss my ASS.

The painting was a gift to me. The person giving it to me did not know the value. he bought it many many years ago(from what he told me) for $20.

Not all people buy things with a full understanding of how they work. Thereare people out there who own high end items without knowing how they work. Car collectors are an example, people own 3 or 4 $100,000 cars yet bearly knows where to put the gas in. Does that make their collection and worst than a collector that knows how to tear an engine down? I think not...

So i do not know how to split an atom, sorry. I enjoy Balls and want to learn. And for the most part, i am learning. Now if only people who judge people would stop posting replys, i might learn more. Again, about my father, KISS MY ASS... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

ok i appologize about your father. and i appologize about anything else i said bad about you. however i will say this. you spent roughly 10 grand on snakes you have basically no knowledge of their husbandry. that's just plain stupid. i repeat that's stupid!!!!!!!! if you research an animal before you purchase it then maybe people won't come down on you soooo hard. if you would have came on here first to ask these questions then maybe everyone including myself would have said, this dude is doing his homework good for him. but no you get all these animals. we have no idea of your husbandry knowledge but have to assume it's very little based on the fact that you have stated yourself you have little knowledge on the snakes and you don't expect people to come down on you. give us all a break. and if you would have purchased from those breeders you stated, everyone of them would have gladly talked you through the genetics and the proper ratios of the babies. ok that's all i'm going to say abou this
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2.0 het pied
1.1 het albino
0.8 normal
1.0 american pit bull terrior
1.1 taco dogs (ankle biters)
1.0 grey cat

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrior as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

i was in a bad mood earlier and I decided to read this entire thread. It got me in a way better mood and I laughed all the way through. Some really good points from everyone and some dumb slips of the tongue as well. Lets keep this up..its fun for all LOL. Anyway, we don't all know everything..especially about genetics. If we did the entire snake market would use the correct terms. Most of us know co-dominant isn't even what we call it. We are mixing incomplete dominant and co-dominant up and I am sure there is plenty of other things someone with a phd in genetics would correct. But who cares, we like snakes and money and need to know little. to johnz, I would read up because I think you are swimming out a little far and you will take some heat. And everyone else should be helping because we are all great people that love snakes. Since I am just in a great mood I just want everyone to be happy and I hope everyone I supplied with tequila in tinley park is very happy today as well...most of you probably are not and have a head ache but you were happy last night lol. Oh and john, I just picked up another probe set this weekend so you can have my old one so you dont get picked on any more. looks like i have too much time on my hands and I should be feeding and cleaning cages that got missed during my tinley park mini vacation. have fun everyone and thanks for the good reading.

I did get a new probe kit(my 1st) at the Tampa show, but thanks for the offer...(Just need to learn how to use it)... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

OK, that's fair. You are right to a point, yes, should i have done this or that, probably should have.

But when i got started, i bought my 1st Ball from Ralph Davis(1.0 50% Het Piebald) and that was it. But i liked him so much that i started to look here and at the classifieds and slowly bought more. I am even now breeding mice to feed my Balls.

Do i have a long way to go? Heck yes. Did i maybe do it backwards(get the Balls then try and learn), sure. But the fact is, i am trying to learn and not only learn from making mistakes. I post as i go.

I know i do not know a ton about Balls, but i have managed to take care of them so far as well as have my 1st clutch and 3 of the 4 eggs hatch.

Yes, i have asked questions of the breeders i have bought from. But my questions were more along the lines of care an not so much with genetics. I asked about enclosure sizes, feeding, what to look for if snakes are sick, temps., when to put male and female together, mite control, shedding, and so on.

This might not sound right, but kinda like having a baby, you find out 9 months before but are you ready when it comes(sure, you buy clothes, crib, diapers, get the room ready, and so on), but are you really ready for what is coming? Heck no. I became a dad for the 1st time almost 9 years ago and still keep learning. Would i have done things differently knowing what i now know? Of coarse, but i still was and am a good dad.

Well i guess that's how it was with Balls, i am learning as i go with the basics under my belt. Now that breeding is starting to play into this, i want to start to learn about it. When i 1st started, i was not looking so much into breeding, just having a pet and have fun with my daughter(and learn). Now that i seem to be heading toward breeding, i guess i am asking what i need to know to maybe get the most out of breeding what i have or might get.

Hope you can understand... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0.1 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
3.18.3 Normal Balls

it is very rare to buy one snake and just keep one. lol. People that do that usually end up on the big squeeze on animal planet because they think their burnmese python knows the family and would never hurt them. Snakes dont like people, snakes like food.