Do not get on here much anymore, but I have something to ask all you " breeders. " In my heart, I know the answer, I too have been in this hobby for many years, but I have my reasons for asking and I hope you guys will give your input.The question is concerning "bloodlines." Here is an EXAMPLE; " Lets say that I buy a pair of boas from John Doe and John Doe has never produced from those animals and they both are imports and John Doe raised them from babies. I buy the animals and produce out of them some time later; the babies would rightfully be John Johnson bloodlines; am I correct in saying this?????" Now, it has always been my understanding that; " If John Doe, produced babies from that pair and I bought the babies, they would rightfuly be John Doe bloodlines forever more, am I right???? " Here is another scenario; " Lets say, that I purchased the adults after John Doe had produced babies from them, because he did produce out of them at least one time, the adults at that stage would be considered, John Doe bloodlines???? " To sum it up; " If I purchase a pair of adults from John Doe that was raised by John Doe from the wild and he has never produced babies from them and I do produce with them, are they not my bloodline????? " This is a good question and I have my reasons for asking. All input is appreciated......GOD BLESS......Johnson Herp
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I say if you bought WC/IMports that have NEVER been proven... whoever is the first to prove them gets to have them named
John Doe catches.. raises.. but sells and never breeds
John Deer... buys and breeds.... they are John Deer lines
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Genaroleon A. Guerrero
John,
..I have produced a bunch of Brazilian Rainbow Boas. They all are descendants of 15 Brazilian Rainbow Boas I got and bred in the early 90s. I still sell each and every baby as a Brazilian Rainbow Boa, plain and simple nothing to the label other than just what it is. A supreme being is working miracles producing babies of all species and it is pretty silly of us to try to put our name on these amazing babies and take more credit than we deserve.
Jeff
>>Do not get on here much anymore, but I have something to ask all you " breeders. " In my heart, I know the answer, I too have been in this hobby for many years, but I have my reasons for asking and I hope you guys will give your input.The question is concerning "bloodlines." Here is an EXAMPLE; " Lets say that I buy a pair of boas from John Doe and John Doe has never produced from those animals and they both are imports and John Doe raised them from babies. I buy the animals and produce out of them some time later; the babies would rightfully be John Johnson bloodlines; am I correct in saying this?????" Now, it has always been my understanding that; " If John Doe, produced babies from that pair and I bought the babies, they would rightfuly be John Doe bloodlines forever more, am I right???? " Here is another scenario; " Lets say, that I purchased the adults after John Doe had produced babies from them, because he did produce out of them at least one time, the adults at that stage would be considered, John Doe bloodlines???? " To sum it up; " If I purchase a pair of adults from John Doe that was raised by John Doe from the wild and he has never produced babies from them and I do produce with them, are they not my bloodline????? " This is a good question and I have my reasons for asking. All input is appreciated......GOD BLESS......Johnson Herp
Beautifully, put and I could not agree more. There is one point though, that should be taken into consideration; " By labeling the bloodlines, it is easier to keep track of certain characteristics that are being bred by certain breeders. " Sipperly bloodlines, do not look like abrahmson bloodlines, abrahmson bloodlines, do not look like belknap bloodlines and so on and so forth. It is also a way for the breeder to get some kind of " recognition " for the hard work that he has put into keeping his animals healthy and happy, so that they will possibly breed successfully. Not to feed his GOD forsaken EGO, but to be recognized for an accomplishment. GOD, of course makes the ultimate decision, but the breeder does at least deserve to be recognized. When the breeder is dead and gone, it is also a way for his name and accomplishments to live on in the hobby. Hence, Lloyd Lemke and others who have passed........John
John,
..You too make some good points but I never heard Lloyd Lemke talk about a Lemke bloodline.
Jeff
>>Beautifully, put and I could not agree more. There is one point though, that should be taken into consideration; " By labeling the bloodlines, it is easier to keep track of certain characteristics that are being bred by certain breeders. " Sipperly bloodlines, do not look like abrahmson bloodlines, abrahmson bloodlines, do not look like belknap bloodlines and so on and so forth. It is also a way for the breeder to get some kind of " recognition " for the hard work that he has put into keeping his animals healthy and happy, so that they will possibly breed successfully. Not to feed his GOD forsaken EGO, but to be recognized for an accomplishment. GOD, of course makes the ultimate decision, but the breeder does at least deserve to be recognized. When the breeder is dead and gone, it is also a way for his name and accomplishments to live on in the hobby. Hence, Lloyd Lemke and others who have passed........John
That is VERY TRUE and cannot be argued and maybe that point alone, is enough to make alot of us wonder about our " motives " at times.However, if you have selected certain qualities in your Rainbows that I like and I buy them from you, if someone tries to sell me " Jeff Clark " bloodline Rainbows, I need to be able to compare the characteristics to see if I am being lied to. It is a two edged sword and I do not disagree or agree with all your points, BUT that is the beauty of GOOD conversation. If I buy some rainbows from you and produce out of them later, wether you want the " respect " or not, I will sell them as your Bloodlines....John
So the lady that bought the het albino BP from Petco which was later bred ended up proving out etc,etc Should she take the name or would Petco be the proper ?Reguardless ! its all about EGO and Green Rectangles.Myself as well as many others are steadily entertained by the pain and suffering thats displayed by those that fall from the social ranks in their attempts to be one rung up on the next guy.Respect is a distorted vison held by many,integrity is clearly held by few.
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Money Only Wished It Had The Control Over The World That FEAR Does !
We have 2 albino lines out there that are not compatible. Is calling them by there respective names wrong ( to god). I have a Kahl het so to breed him and get albinoes i need another Kahl. Sharp won't work for my purposes. My point here is we use a label to distinguish (sp) the 2 since there not compatable.
Paul
You make the decision to pair up two animals, and they produce offspring, the offspring are YOUR bloodline. If the sire was produced by me...that male will always be my bloodline. This is just my standard...others might disagree....and others still will make it more complicated than it needs to be. To me it comes down to the person calling the shots and producing babies...
Good luck with your line....
Chris O
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www.chrisolsonreptiles.com
Best of luck!
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This is a good one. For example, my buddy Bryon Bought his baby amarali from Tom Crutchfield 10-15yrs ago, from probably WC parents, Tom never produced any of these. Brian bred these and had babies. This is a new bloodline, not Lemke, 69 litter, not silverbacks, this is new blood. He can name these whatever he wants. Its like me and MY church line of Anerys. I got mine 12yrs ago from joe blow. It has to do with background.
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