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Anyone know which town in Ocean Co were the founding parents of the striped line found?

I have heard that others have claimed to have found striped animals in other localities in NJ. Any verified?

thanks
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Shawn Mosley was acually the first person to find a striped temp in ocean county.I know he found it in a shingle pile (people just dump stuff in fields etc.)and also found another that was partial striped.

I can't remember the exact town but I have it in my notes somewere.I will look it up for you.

shannon

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Thanks for the posts, guys. I, too, had the understanding that Bartlett had found normals that were bred to produce stripers. This is all news to me on Shawn. I would love to hear some more input!
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Actually either Bartlet or Deptula were the "original" finder of the wild caught striped lineage not Shawn. They can verify this i'm sure.

Walt was not the founder of this lineage, but he was one of the first to aquire the first off spring. Walt if your out there shoot me an E- Mail. Sean.

If memory serves Carl collected the original normals that first produced striped animals. Striped specimens were not collected from the wild until later. BTW last year a striped animals was collected on the MD portion of Delmarva.

Thanks for the facts Tony. From what I remember Carl was the one who collected the first one legally in the 70's before all the laws were put into place in N.J. and it produced the first striped animal from what I remember. I could be wrong as to if it was produced from a normal looking wc. or if it was a striped animal that was caught. Maybe you can add to this if you know. From what is known, the one that Mosley had was aquired from the breedings of the original wild caught animal.

From personal coms with Carl the original milks he collected were normal phenotype. I do recall however him mentioning that an associate later captured a fully striped snake from the same locality. Just to stir the pot I think this is partly the origin of locality breeding at least with coastals. Both hypos and stripes are traced to known localities and breeding inside those localities increased the odds that you'd produce a morph from an initial out cross. In the case of the hypo I know of at least one case where a hypo was out crossed to an unrelated line of Calvert County coastal that also happened to be a hypo gene carrier! At the time hypo coastals were selling aggresively for 1k a pop so there was a strong incentive to locality breed because it increased the odds of getting hypos from the F1 generation.

it was that Carl found his snakes?
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Anthony Chodan

www.gradeareptiles.com

Carl did collect the two hatchlings which were eventually the originators of the striped line back in 1972 or 1973. They were from Ocean county. I don't recall the town