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The latest news from ron trempers newsletter "In the last years many of you that obtained
my gene for Giant leopard geckos have produced
offspring that are Giant in size from breeding one of
my Giants to a gecko(s) that does not carry the gene
for Giant.
Five such people have asked me if there was a chance
that my gene for Giant was CO-DOMINANT.
My answer has been, up to now, that the Giant gene
was a simple recessive trait.
The first "hets" I made were few in number and once I got pure
Giants it was not needed to produce more such hets here.
Since many more "hets" were being produced by other
breeders, than I produced as a simple step to get the original
pure Giants, I decided to "redo" this "het" step and create a far more
larger group of geckos to study at my end.
I wanted to see what others were reporting.
My new findings reflect that in fact my Giant gene is a
true CO-DOMINANT.
This means that the Giant gene has an equal chance of
being expressed when combined with the gene to be a normal
sized gecko.
Hence, only one Giant parent needs to be present to express
this Giantism in the first generation.
I thank everyone that raised this important question.
Science is great stuff........the book chapter on genetics will go into
all the morphs in detail." (qoute from Ron Trempers e-mail newsletter)

I hear everyone talk about the giants, but how big do they get adult size? I want a 6 foot leopard gecko!

>>The latest news from ron trempers newsletter "In the last years many of you that obtained
>>my gene for Giant leopard geckos have produced
>>offspring that are Giant in size from breeding one of
>>my Giants to a gecko(s) that does not carry the gene
>>for Giant.
>>Five such people have asked me if there was a chance
>>that my gene for Giant was CO-DOMINANT.
>>My answer has been, up to now, that the Giant gene
>>was a simple recessive trait.
>>The first "hets" I made were few in number and once I got pure
>>Giants it was not needed to produce more such hets here.
>>Since many more "hets" were being produced by other
>>breeders, than I produced as a simple step to get the original
>>pure Giants, I decided to "redo" this "het" step and create a far more
>>larger group of geckos to study at my end.
>>I wanted to see what others were reporting.
>>My new findings reflect that in fact my Giant gene is a
>>true CO-DOMINANT.
>>This means that the Giant gene has an equal chance of
>>being expressed when combined with the gene to be a normal
>>sized gecko.
>>Hence, only one Giant parent needs to be present to express
>>this Giantism in the first generation.
>>I thank everyone that raised this important question.
>>Science is great stuff........the book chapter on genetics will go into
>>all the morphs in detail." (qoute from Ron Trempers e-mail newsletter)
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Tim W. My Pictures
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It rubs the lotion on it's skin.
Bleach, good to clean tanks. Ammonia, good to clean tanks. Bleach mixed with Ammonia, good to make ammonium chloride gas to kill you while your cleaning tanks.

See:
www.leopardgecko.com/giant.html

and/or

www.leopardgecko.com/giantfaq.html
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Brian Skibinski
Brian@MilwaukeeReptiles.com
WYSIWYG

n/p

Possibly giant centipedes, I don't know maybe full grown rats or rabbits, or maybe some of those bugs from the rainforest that grow like a foot long. I guess someone will start having to breed bigger crickets and mealworms.

>>n/p
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Tim W. My Pictures
0.1.0 Dumeril Boas
0.1.0 Kittens
0.0.1 Leopard Geckos

It rubs the lotion on it's skin.
Bleach, good to clean tanks. Ammonia, good to clean tanks. Bleach mixed with Ammonia, good to make ammonium chloride gas to kill you while your cleaning tanks.

That may have purchased "Het for giants". When in fact they paid extra for normals.

Glad I never bought into the whole "Giant" craze....
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Sam
Gecko Den
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Where can you get the giants? Also do they act/eat the same as normal leo's?
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I guess I should have just looked on google or something for the info. I'm guessing if you keep breeding the biggest together you will eventually get some huge ones. I guess the only problem is inbreeding, but you can throw in new genes.

>>Where can you get the giants? Also do they act/eat the same as normal leo's?
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Tim W. My Pictures
0.1.0 Dumeril Boas
0.1.0 Kittens
0.0.1 Leopard Geckos

It rubs the lotion on it's skin.
Bleach, good to clean tanks. Ammonia, good to clean tanks. Bleach mixed with Ammonia, good to make ammonium chloride gas to kill you while your cleaning tanks.

as "co-dom" (it is really incomplete dom, if you want more info on co-dom/dom/incomplete dom genetics just ask) is when there would be three phases: "True giant" (when both alleles are for giantism), "giant" (one allele is for giantism), and "normal" (no alleles for giantism). But it apears it is just dominant as i do not know of a middle sized ("giant", one allele for giantism) and it appears there is just normal and "true giant".
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0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)

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"scientia est vox"

I want more information on genetics, is there a website or better yet a good book to get on the subject? Like something written for a hobbyist, I could go get a college level book on the subject, but that wouldn't really help me too much. Is there a "Genetics for Dummies" book?

>>as "co-dom" (it is really incomplete dom, if you want more info on co-dom/dom/incomplete dom genetics just ask) is when there would be three phases: "True giant" (when both alleles are for giantism), "giant" (one allele is for giantism), and "normal" (no alleles for giantism). But it apears it is just dominant as i do not know of a middle sized ("giant", one allele for giantism) and it appears there is just normal and "true giant".
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>>0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
>>0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
>>0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
>>0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
>>2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)
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>>My image Gallery
>>"scientia est vox"
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Tim W. My Pictures
0.1.0 Dumeril Boas
0.1.0 Kittens
0.0.1 Leopard Geckos

It rubs the lotion on it's skin. It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again.
Bleach and Ammonia make Ammonium Chloride = Dead you

I can give you basic (co dom, dom, recessive, incomplete dom) info on genetics. I learned this from my 7th grade biology class. Most college level material (that i've read) is full of useless words and terminology that will be unused to the average person. You might wanna stop by the local high school and ask a/the biology teacher about genetics depending on how much info you need. But you can always ask me questions about how it works and stuff. so what do yoou wanna know?
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)

My image Gallery
"scientia est vox"

I was just wondering on all this dominant, co dominant, recessive stuff. Also I was wondering how there can be 3 kinds of albino. I thought albino was just lack of dark pigment.

>>I can give you basic (co dom, dom, recessive, incomplete dom) info on genetics. I learned this from my 7th grade biology class. Most college level material (that i've read) is full of useless words and terminology that will be unused to the average person. You might wanna stop by the local high school and ask a/the biology teacher about genetics depending on how much info you need. But you can always ask me questions about how it works and stuff. so what do yoou wanna know?
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>>0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
>>0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
>>0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
>>0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
>>2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)
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>>My image Gallery
>>"scientia est vox"
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Tim W. My Pictures
0.1.0 Dumeril Boas
0.1.0 Kittens
0.0.1 Leopard Geckos

It rubs the lotion on it's skin. It rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again.
Bleach and Ammonia make Ammonium Chloride = Dead you

Thre three types of albino are actually strains, they have basically been line bred to be the way they are and this repetition lead to them having diff. genes of albino. That means that basically they are all albinos but are slightly diff. genetically and that is why when you cross two you get all hets for a generic albino.

The three lines of albino is really just 1 mutation with minor changes in each line. Bell line alibnos are known for their brown spotting, Las vegas for their lightness, and trempers for their purple/violet colors.

Okay, so each gene has 2 alleles. (remember that, it will help a lot)
phenotype-the physical appearance
genotype-the actual genetic make up

Recessive is when both alleles must be the same to show the desired trait. THe homozygous ("aa" form shows the trait while the heterozygous ("Aa" does not. "A"=wild type, "a"= trait.

Dominant is when only one allele must be present to show the desired trait. The homozygous "aa" is the same as the heterozygous "Aa" in phenotype.

Co dominant (when reffered to in the Reptile world it is really INCOMPLETE DOMINANCE) is when 2 traits are combined and the result fully shows both traits. Ie. "AA"= red, "aa"=white, "Aa"= red with white dots/white with red dots.

Incomplete domiance ("co-dom" in the reptile community) is when two traits are combined to form and intermediary phase. ie. "AA"=red, "aa"=white, "Aa"=pink.

WIth reptile traits-
Recessive-Albino, homozygous for albinism ("aa" heterozygous ("Aa"animals are normal in appearance.
Dominance-Spider ball pythons, homozygous and heterozygous animals show trait.
Co-dominance-No reptile animal (that i know of) has a co-dominant trait.
Incomplete dominance-Pastel ball pythons, homozygous form is the super pastel, heterozygous is the pastel.
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)

My image Gallery
"scientia est vox"

There are some leos that fall between the boundaries of normal and giant size. They're too big to really be normal yet too small to be giant. I think that would explain why so many people wonder if they have true giants, and they have to compare growth charts with other people who have confirmed giants.
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chickabowwow

are those ones athat are in between of the giant though?
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (Rhianon)
0.0.1 ball pythons (FELIX!!!!!)
2.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, Bear, and Tony)

My image Gallery
"scientia est vox"

np
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chickabowwow

I just was wondering if they would have any problems like human giants do such as a shortened life span or a overworked heart. Have giant leos even been around long enough to know?
*~*elcheal*~*

Giants have only been available for a couple of years now, but I have not heard of any anomalies in them. I have had my giant for about a year now and have not experienced anything different about him except for the fact that he is my calmest gecko. I show my geckos at my kids' school rooms and he is always the one who they get to handle.

>>I just was wondering if they would have any problems like human giants do such as a shortened life span or a overworked heart. Have giant leos even been around long enough to know?
>>*~*elcheal*~*

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